I was attempting to use your post-feedback statement as an indication of what methods to include in what I wrote, yet I am not familiar with the variations on Bucklin voting beyond what I read in Wikipedia, so I am certainly open to your suggested edits.

Just as you created a version that you expected to change as a result of feedback, I too expect that what I wrote will be changed. As I suggested in another response, I think it would be appropriate to post a Google Docs version for you and others to edit. (In another response I suggested some additional paragraphs, and those can be inserted into the Google Docs version.)

I too welcome collaboration in this effort to create a declaration. After all, the whole point of voting methods is to use a well-defined process for arriving at a collaborative decision; in this case we do not have a well-defined process, but basically we are voting for a declaration most of us like. As in voting, everyone deserves an informed vote in the process.

Speaking of which, I suggested using our signature lines as a way of indicating which declaration-named election method we most prefer, and that's a way of voting. It will be interesting to see which supporters of which methods sign the document.

Admittedly that will place IRV proponents in the awkward position of being tempted to sign it so they can indicate their support for IRV.

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(I wouldn't be opposed to IRV if there was widespread recognition that it uses the right kind of ballot but the wrong kind of counting. One average-person reaction to this concept was "I didn't know there was more than one way to count a ballot".)

Richard Fobes

On 8/24/2011 5:27 AM, Jameson Quinn wrote:
I like this version, and would sign on to it, as I would with all the
other versions which have been discussed.

2011/8/23 Richard Fobes <electionmeth...@votefair.org
<mailto:electionmeth...@votefair.org>>

    I very much agree with Jameson Quinn that the time has come to
    write, sign, and widely distribute a formal statement of the
    election-method principles that we agree upon. Yet instead of just
    providing a checklist of what we approve, I suggest we take
    advantage of this opportunity to ...

    * ... inspire(!) policymakers, politically active citizens, and
    frustrated voters to take action, and ...


Yes. I believe that it is worth pointing out specific advantages for
different groups, including centrist and extremist voters and major
party and insurgent politicians. It may sound contradictory, but reform,
by helping cause a healthier dialogue, can benefit all of these groups;
the customary zero-sum model does not apply.


    * ... give them a clearly explained declaration they can use as
    ammunition in their battles to implement election-method reforms.

    To serve these purposes, I'm boldly suggesting an entirely new
    wording. Keep in mind that one of my professions has been to work as
    a technical writer specializing in translating especially complex
    technology into clear English, and I also have experience writing
    marketing materials.

    This version incorporates the suggestions and refinements already
    discussed, so the revision work already done is not being wasted.

    Previously I too was thinking that the other version was too long.
    Ironically this version is even longer. I now realize that the other
    version went into too much detail about subtle issues, and that's
    what made it seem long. In contrast, this version uses the extra
    words to clearly explain fundamental voting concepts that most
    people do not already understand, and to serve the above-listed
    purposes.

    Also I think (or at least hope) that this version better identifies
    our real areas of agreement.


I like your explicit repetition and variations on "we agree". It works.


    My hope is that either this version, or a merging of this version
    with other versions, will produce a declaration that we can sign
    with much more enthusiasm.

    ----- The Declaration of Election-Method Experts -----

    We, the undersigned election-method experts from around the world,
    unanimously denounce the use of "plurality" voting in elections in
    which there are more than two candidates, and in this declaration we
    offer ready-to-adopt replacement election methods that we agree will
    reliably produce much fairer results.

    We agree that there are no perceived political or economic risks
    associated with adopting the election methods recommended here. In
    fact, we believe that improving the fairness of election results
    will produce many political and economic benefits. Some of the
    benefits we expect include reduced voter frustration, reduced
    government costs (that arise from excessive political influence from
    self-serving special interests), wiser use of tax dollars (based on
    electing problem-solving leaders who solve underlying problems that
    waste money), dramatically increased voter turnout because of having
    meaningful choices, increased compliance with laws including
    taxation laws, and likely increases in widespread economic
    prosperity (arising from increased fairness in the business world).

    We use the term "plurality" voting to refer to the commonly used
    counting method in which each voter marks only a single choice on
    the ballot, and the number of marks for each candidate are counted,
    and the candidate with the highest number is regarded as the winner.
    In some nations this method is called "First Past The Post" (and
    abbreviated FPTP). Although this election method produces fair
    results when there are only two candidates, the results are often
    dramatically unfair when this approach is used in elections with
    three or more candidates.

    In spite of its well-known weaknesses, plurality voting is
    predominantly used in most elections in most democratic nations
    around the world, with Australia and New Zealand being notable
    exceptions. It is also the preferred election method in nations that
    pretend to be democracies, yet lack the freedoms and economic
    benefits of democracy.

    Unanimously we agree that the kind of ballot used in plurality
    voting is not appropriate when there are more than two choices. Its
    deficiency is that it does not collect enough preference information
    from the voters in order to always correctly identify the most
    popular candidate when there are more than two candidates.

    Unanimously we agree that there are three kinds of ballots that
    collect enough preference information to always, or almost always,
    correctly identify the most popular candidate. The names and
    descriptions of these ballot types are, in alphabetical order:

    * Approval ballot, on which a voter marks each candidate who the
    voter approves as an acceptable choice, and leaves unmarked the
    candidates who are not acceptable

    * Ranked ballots (or 1-2-3 ballots), on which a voter indicates a
    first choice, and optionally indicates a second choice, and
    optionally indicates additional choices at lower preference levels

    * Score ballots, on which a voter assigns a number for each
    candidate, with the most familiar versions of such voting being to
    rate something with 1 to 5 stars or rate a choice with a number from
    1 to 10, but any range of numbers can be used

    The type of ballot used in plurality voting does not have an
    academically recognized name, but the term "single-mark ballot" can
    be used to refer to this primitive ballot type.

    Why is the unfairness of plurality voting not better known?
    Single-mark ballots do not collect enough information to reveal the
    actual preferences of voters in elections that have three or more
    reasonably popular candidates. This lack of full preference
    information makes it nearly impossible for anyone to produce clear
    proof, or even evidence, of unfair election results.

    Adopting any of the three better ballot types would provide the
    information that is needed for fair results. In addition, for
    comparison purposes, the preferences on the three better ballot
    types can be interpreted to reveal who would have won the election
    if plurality counting had been used. Such comparisons will quickly
    reveal the dramatic unfairness of plurality voting in elections
    involving three or more candidates.

    These three better ballot types can be counted in different ways to
    produce different results. As election-method experts we have both
    developed and analyzed many counting methods, and we now agree that
    there are several counting methods that are worth adopting in
    governmental elections.

    Four of the counting methods that we agree would produce
    significantly better results compared to plurality voting are, in
    alphabetical order:

    * Approval voting, which uses approval ballots and identifies the
    candidate with the most approval marks as the winner.

    * Bucklin voting, which uses ranked ballots, and which initially
    counts only the most-preferred candidate on each ballot, and
    identifies a winner only if that candidate receives a majority of
    votes, and which successively adds consideration for lower-ranked
    candidates until a majority outcome is reached.


I think that the majority judgment procedure might not be the best
median-style system, but it is certainly the most clearly-defined modern
Bucklin version. (Using just the word "Bucklin" is asking for confusion
between the many similar Progressive-era systems which were called
that). And MJ doesn't work by "sliding threshold" but by finding medians.


    * Condorcet methods, which use ranked ballots and pairwise counting
    to compare each candidate with each of the other candidates, with
    the winner being the candidate who is pairwise preferred over each
    and every other candidate. In some elections none of the candidates
    will win all of their pairwise comparisons, so there are variations
    that resolve these cases. These variations, in alphabetical order,
    are named the Condorcet-Kemeny method (or "VoteFair popularity
    ranking"), the Condorcet-Schulze (or "beatpath") method, and the
    Condorcet-Tideman (or "ranked pairs") method. (The word Condorcet is
    a French name that is pronounced "kon-dor-say".)

    * Range voting (also known as score voting), which uses score
    ballots, and adds together the scores assigned to each candidate,
    and identifies the winner as the candidate who receives the highest
    total score.

    There is another voting method that is supported by some, but not
    most, of the undersigned election-method experts. It is called
    "instant-runoff voting" (or "IRV" or "the alternative vote"), and it
    uses ranked ballots. The counting method begins by considering each
    voter's highest-ranked choice, and eliminating the candidate with
    the fewest votes, and then shifting the affected ballots to the
    next-most preferred candidate, and repeating this process until a
    candidate receives a majority of votes.

    Instant-runoff voting is used in some governmental elections
    throughout the world, and most of us agree that usually the results
    are an improvement over plurality voting. However, many of us either
    regard the degree of improvement as not being significant enough to
    justify adopting this method, or are concerned that its
    not-always-fair results will be associated with ranked ballots
    rather than with the instant-runoff counting method.

    Significantly some of the places that have adopted instant-runoff
    voting have later rejected the method and returned to plurality
    voting. These places include Aspen Colorado and Burlington Vermont
    in the United States. The rejections occurred because the method
    produced clearly unfair results, in which the winner would not have
    been the winner if any of the Condorcet methods had been used.

    In addition to the four supported methods listed above, we also
    support some combined methods. Specifically we support the use of
    the Condorcet method to identify a "Condorcet winner" (who is
    pairwise-preferred over all the other candidates) and then, if there
    is no Condorcet winner, we support using either instant-runoff
    voting (IRV) or approval voting to resolve the ambiguity and
    identify a single winner.

    In the list of signatures we indicate which voting method each
    signer most strongly prefers.

    Yet most of us also agree that we will support the adoption of any
    of the supported methods, namely, in alphabetical order:

    * Approval voting

    * Bucklin voting

    * Any of the Condorcet methods, which are, in alphabetical order:

      * Condorcet-Approval
      * Condorcet-IRV
      * Condorcet-Kemeny
      * Condorcet-Schulze
      * Condorcet-Tideman

    * Range voting

    (The choice of counting method determines which kind of ballot is
    needed.)

    The Wikipedia articles about these methods provide detailed
    descriptions and characteristics of these methods. In fact, many of
    us signing this statement edit these Wikipedia articles to keep them
    accurate and unbiased. (The academic names for these methods differ
    from the simplified names given here, so the Wikipedia "Voting
    system" article is a good starting article.)

    If you have specific questions about election methods, many of us
    participate in the "Election-Methods" forum (at
    http://lists.electorama.com/__listinfo.cgi/election-methods-__electorama.com
    <http://lists.electorama.com/listinfo.cgi/election-methods-electorama.com>),
    and we would be happy to answer your questions about any of these
    methods. [Note: Can we set up a "redirect" to simplify this URL to
    something like www.electorama.com/election-__methods
    <http://www.electorama.com/election-methods>?]

    So far, all of the above recommendations apply to filling an
    executive (non-legislative) position such as a mayor or governor,
    where there is a single "seat" to be filled.

    Different considerations apply if an election fills a legislative
    seat, such as a seat in a legislature, parliament, or U.S. Congress.
    In Canada, the United Kingdom, and the United States, the typical
    method for filling a legislative seat is to define a district or
    riding in which plurality voting is used to elect one person who is
    expected to represent the citizens in that district or riding.

    All of us signing this declaration agree that plurality voting is
    not acceptable as an election method for filling a single
    district-based or riding-based legislative seat.

    One way to improve legislative elections is to replace plurality
    voting with one of the above-supported election methods, and most of
    us support making this improvement.

    Most of us agree that a better choice would be to adopt an election
    method in which the choice of who wins one seat interacts with who
    wins another equivalent seat in ways that ensure that the overall
    composition of the legislature at least roughly matches the
    preferences of the voters, especially in terms of political-party
    preferences. However, we disagree about which election method best
    serves this purpose.

    Most European nations (but not the United Kingdom) use "proportional
    representation" to match legislative representatives with the
    political-party preferences of the voters. Specifically, when
    electing members of parliament (MPs) by this method, voters not only
    vote for a candidate, but they also indicate their favorite
    political party. Proportional representation then makes adjustments
    to ensure that the percentage of legislative seats filled by members
    of each party roughly matches the percentage of voters who support
    each party. In other words, if 15% of the voters mark the Green
    Party as their favorite, then approximately 15% of the parliamentary
    seats are filled by Green Party politicians.

    Proportional representation methods typically use either "open
    lists" or "closed lists" to determine which politicians are selected
    to fill the seats that are "won" by a party. The open-list approach
    allows voters to express preferences about which candidates they
    prefer for filling their party's seats. In the closed-list approach,
    the political party creates the ordered list from which their
    party's seats are filled, and voters do not participate in
    influencing the closed list.

    Almost all of us agree that where proportional representation is
    used, the open-list approach should be used. We oppose the
    closed-list approach because it transfers power to people who are
    not elected, and who cannot easily be removed from their position of
    power.

    In governments where a single legislative representative is elected
    from each district or riding, a political manipulation named
    "gerrymandering" is used to influence the positions of district or
    riding boundaries. Such boundary manipulations affect which
    political party is favored to win the elections in each district or
    riding, and in turn this affects the legislative balance of power
    between political parties. It also reduces voter turnout because the
    election results are so difficult to change through voting.

    Unanimously we agree that gerrymandering is unfair. Almost
    unanimously we agree that either better voting methods can be used
    to make the boundary positions much less influential in the balance
    of power between political parties, or that there are fair and
    impartial ways to choose the boundaries. However, we do not agree on
    which such methods are best, so we are not recommending a specific
    solution to the gerrymandering problem.

    Overall our highest priority is to stop the use of plurality voting
    in elections that involve three or more choices, and to replace
    plurality voting with one of the alternative election methods
    recommended here.

    We, as election-method experts, have spent the last decade
    developing online resources about election methods, developing
    software for numerous election methods, and participating in online
    discussions to identify which election methods are worth adopting as
    replacements for plurality voting. Now we are sharing our
    recommendations. We also offer to share our deep understanding of
    election methods with policymakers and politically active citizens
    of any nation, state, province, municipality, or political party.

    We realize that election-method reforms are unlikely to start with
    people in positions of great power because they have made many
    sacrifices to achieve their power, and they do not want their
    efforts to be undermined.

    Therefore we address this statement to you as someone who is aware
    of the benefits that election-method reforms will bring.

    If you are a policymaker, we strongly urge you to introduce
    legislation that would adopt one of the election methods we support.
    If you are active in a political party that uses plurality voting,
    we strongly urge you to encourage the use of a better voting method
    to choose your party's candidates, or to choose your party's
    internally elected delegates or representatives. If you are
    politically active, we strongly urge you to tell others about the
    unfairness of plurality voting, and to bring attention to the fairer
    election methods supported in this declaration. If you are a
    frustrated voter, we strongly urge you to learn about one or more of
    the election methods we support, and then tell others what you have
    learned. And if you are a member of an organization that elects
    officers using plurality voting, we strongly urge you to advocate
    using one of the recommended election methods when an election
    involves more than two candidates.

    We, the following election-method experts, agree with the statements
    made in this declaration.

    ----- End of draft -----

    Clarification: I did not use the academic name "preferential ballot"
    to refer to ranked ballots because the term "preferential ballot"
    deserves to win a prize as the most redundant two-word phrase. (The
    whole point of a ballot is to collect preferences!) The alternate
    name of "1-2-3 ballot" comes from a Canadian who is promoting
    election-method reform.

    Clarification: I did not include the SODA method because it has not
    yet been fully peer reviewed, it is not explained in Wikipedia
    (which provides further peer reviewing), and it has not been
    successfully tested in actual voting situations. Remember that we
    hope to get this declaration signed by election-method experts who
    do not participate in the Election-Methods forum, and we are
    recommending these methods for use in governmental elections where
    the risk of "trying something new" is not acceptable.


I understand your concerns. One good compromise would be to mention it
as a method that merits further study. I believe that this is justified.
It is clearly a young method, but it is one which has favorably
impressed several knowledgeable people who are not particularly inclined
to agree with each other.

I also note that you included Bucklin but not Majority Judgment. If I
had to choose one of these, it would be MJ. I don't think that it's
necessarily the best median-based method, but the differences in results
between such methods are trivial, and MJ is a good representative member
of the class. Also, it is probably the most clearly-defined
class-member; it is discussed in the academic literature and has a
pretty good Wikipedia article.


    Perspective: As a reminder, recall that this Election Method forum
    started as a spin-off from a general-purpose Elections forum because
    these discussions use too much jargon and mathematics for mainstream
    participation. By including clear, plain-English explanations of
    fundamental election-method concepts in our declaration, we can
    re-connect with those people. Also we can connect with the many
    other people who advocate election-method reform, but who lack our
    election-method expertise. They can use our signed declaration as
    ammunition in their battles against plurality voting.

    Finally I'll close with a suggested format for signatures (where the
    third portion indicates affiliation):

    Richard Fobes; Portland, Oregon, USA; VoteFair.org; prefers
    Condorcet-Kemeny method



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