I don't think Abouts should exist. But aside from that, I think Cassidy is right when he says "The dockitem *is* the app".
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Cassidy James <c...@ssidyjam.es> wrote: > Andrea, > > The dockitem "is" the app, as far as I'm concerned. If the user wants to > know more about that app, they can right-click the app and click about. I > think it's a great place to put this relatively universal item since it > doesn't have anything to do with the screen the user is looking at, but > with the app itself. > > Regards, > Cassidy James > On May 29, 2012 3:39 PM, "Andrea Basso" <voluntatefa...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> @Dan, it makes sense to separate the two for two reason: >> 1. If I wanna start Files with root privileges or Midori in a private >> session is quite handy to have them in the quicklist, it's acutally what >> it's there for. It's a lot of useless user interaction to start the program >> and launch another session from the menu (like Midori does now) and having >> two .desktop files is completely wrong, the application is only one and if >> I dock one I wanna be able to access quickly even other way to launch it, >> it's stupid having to dock two (or more) items for the same app. >> 2. Dock is for launching apps, and that's it. If I right click on what I >> clicked to launch it I expect different ways to launch it, revert the >> launch (close it) or in general deal with app session, not the app itself. >> Plus, imagine a new user who wanna see the about dialog. You really think >> that going to a hidden place which reveals itself only when the mouse goes >> to the bottom of the screen and has nothing to do with interacting with the >> app and right-clicking on the app icon would make sense to find the about >> dialog? Discoverability (and sense) is next to zero. >> >> So I don't really see how "About" fits in the quicklist. >> >> On Tue, 29 May 2012 19:48:04 +0200, Daniel Foré <dan...@elementaryos.org> >> wrote: >> >> @Mario, This is true that would mean that About dialog can't be shown in >>> all DE's. But, I think as we move forward we're going to have to do >>> things >>> that will start to break other DE's in order to really get our apps the >>> best they can be. >>> >>> However, adding actions to a .desktop in this way is being proposed >>> upstream to FD.o so this may be the way that GNOME handles it's AppMenus >>> and Unity handles it's quicklists in the future. So I don't think we >>> should >>> worry too much about breaking other DE's. >>> >>> @Satchit, I also agree that having window controls in the quicklist menu >>> seems silly. I don't know of anyone who uses them for this and I would >>> advocate removing that from all of our apps. >>> >>> @Andrea, the quicklist *is* our external menu. I don't think it'd make >>> sense to add yet-another-menuing-system. >>> >>> >>> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Mario Guerriero <mefri...@gmail.com >>> >wrote: >>> >>> In this way the about dialog can't be showed in all DEs. I think however >>>> that this is a problem for Luna+1 because we can surely found a better >>>> solution for it. >>>> >>>> Mario Guerriero >>>> Sent from iPhone 3GS >>>> >>>> Il giorno 29/mag/2012, alle ore 18:56, Daniel Foré < >>>> dan...@elementaryos.org> ha scritto: >>>> >>>> Hey Guys, >>>> >>>> When we first did the AppMenu, I think we felt that having only a single >>>> menu for an app was being extremely optimistic about it's design. But it >>>> seems that even so, some of the apps that have been built for elementary >>>> (Switchboard, Eidete, etc) are so contextual and awesome that they don't >>>> need an AppMenu at all except for a single item: About. >>>> >>>> What I'd like to propose is moving "About" into a quicklist item. I >>>> think >>>> this would make sense because it's About the App not just the current >>>> Window, and it would give us a consistent place to put this item (that >>>> I'm >>>> pretty sure we all want for all of our apps) without requiring >>>> yet-another-otherwise-useless-**piece-of-UI. >>>> >>>> Thoughts? >>>> >>>> Best Regards, >>>> >>>> Daniel Foré >>>> >>>> elementaryos.org >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Mailing list: >>>> https://launchpad.net/~**elementary-dev-community<https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community> >>>> Post to : >>>> elementary-dev-community@**lists.launchpad.net<elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net> >>>> Unsubscribe : >>>> https://launchpad.net/~**elementary-dev-community<https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community> >>>> More help : >>>> https://help.launchpad.net/**ListHelp<https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> -- >> Mailing list: >> https://launchpad.net/~**elementary-dev-community<https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community> >> Post to : >> elementary-dev-community@**lists.launchpad.net<elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net> >> Unsubscribe : >> https://launchpad.net/~**elementary-dev-community<https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community> >> More help : >> https://help.launchpad.net/**ListHelp<https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp> >> > > -- > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community > Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > > -- Cody Garver
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