+1 On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 2:59 PM, Andrea Basso <voluntatefa...@gmail.com> wrote: > After some more thinking, I've come to agree, it's not a bad solution after > all, and I'm not against it anymore. We should take into consideration the > idea of having it only in the software center, or even both: we have an > about page in the software center and the "About" item in the quicklist will > just open it. > > So, I'd go for it, but obviously not for Luna, for L+1 only (or if it's > quick and trivial enough only AFTER the beta) > > > On Tue, 29 May 2012 21:34:23 +0200, Daniel Foré <dan...@elementaryos.org> > wrote: > >> I don't disagree with your 1st point. I really dislike the dual .desktop >> thing Midori is currently doing and having root shortcuts is probably a >> good work-around while we don't implement policy kit (which is probably >> the >> proper way to do it.) >> >> I do disagree with the second point though. I'm not sure there's a real >> big >> distinction between opening up the app in a certain way (as root) and >> opening to a certain place (about, prefs, certain plug in Switchboard). >> >> The dock shouldn't be hidden by default (except possibly when a window is >> maximized. We still have to test that). >> >> But really, I think the real target of the About dialog is developers and >> support techs, not users. So I'm not sure we really need it to be >> discoverable. The only people who want to use it are people who know it >> exists. >> >> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Andrea Basso >> <voluntatefa...@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> @Dan, it makes sense to separate the two for two reason: >>> 1. If I wanna start Files with root privileges or Midori in a private >>> session is quite handy to have them in the quicklist, it's acutally what >>> it's there for. It's a lot of useless user interaction to start the >>> program >>> and launch another session from the menu (like Midori does now) and >>> having >>> two .desktop files is completely wrong, the application is only one and >>> if >>> I dock one I wanna be able to access quickly even other way to launch it, >>> it's stupid having to dock two (or more) items for the same app. >>> 2. Dock is for launching apps, and that's it. If I right click on what I >>> clicked to launch it I expect different ways to launch it, revert the >>> launch (close it) or in general deal with app session, not the app >>> itself. >>> Plus, imagine a new user who wanna see the about dialog. You really think >>> that going to a hidden place which reveals itself only when the mouse >>> goes >>> to the bottom of the screen and has nothing to do with interacting with >>> the >>> app and right-clicking on the app icon would make sense to find the about >>> dialog? Discoverability (and sense) is next to zero. >>> >>> So I don't really see how "About" fits in the quicklist. >>> >>> >>> On Tue, 29 May 2012 19:48:04 +0200, Daniel Foré <dan...@elementaryos.org> >>> wrote: >>> >>> @Mario, This is true that would mean that About dialog can't be shown in >>>> >>>> all DE's. But, I think as we move forward we're going to have to do >>>> things >>>> that will start to break other DE's in order to really get our apps the >>>> best they can be. >>>> >>>> However, adding actions to a .desktop in this way is being proposed >>>> upstream to FD.o so this may be the way that GNOME handles it's AppMenus >>>> and Unity handles it's quicklists in the future. So I don't think we >>>> should >>>> worry too much about breaking other DE's. >>>> >>>> @Satchit, I also agree that having window controls in the quicklist menu >>>> seems silly. I don't know of anyone who uses them for this and I would >>>> advocate removing that from all of our apps. >>>> >>>> @Andrea, the quicklist *is* our external menu. I don't think it'd make >>>> sense to add yet-another-menuing-system. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Mario Guerriero <mefri...@gmail.com >>>> >wrote: >>>> >>>> In this way the about dialog can't be showed in all DEs. I think >>>> however >>>>> >>>>> that this is a problem for Luna+1 because we can surely found a better >>>>> solution for it. >>>>> >>>>> Mario Guerriero >>>>> Sent from iPhone 3GS >>>>> >>>>> Il giorno 29/mag/2012, alle ore 18:56, Daniel Foré < >>>>> dan...@elementaryos.org> ha scritto: >>>>> >>>>> Hey Guys, >>>>> >>>>> When we first did the AppMenu, I think we felt that having only a >>>>> single >>>>> menu for an app was being extremely optimistic about it's design. But >>>>> it >>>>> seems that even so, some of the apps that have been built for >>>>> elementary >>>>> (Switchboard, Eidete, etc) are so contextual and awesome that they >>>>> don't >>>>> need an AppMenu at all except for a single item: About. >>>>> >>>>> What I'd like to propose is moving "About" into a quicklist item. I >>>>> think >>>>> this would make sense because it's About the App not just the current >>>>> Window, and it would give us a consistent place to put this item (that >>>>> I'm >>>>> pretty sure we all want for all of our apps) without requiring >>>>> yet-another-otherwise-useless-**piece-of-UI. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thoughts? >>>>> >>>>> Best Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Daniel Foré >>>>> >>>>> elementaryos.org >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Mailing list: >>>>> https://launchpad.net/~**elementary-dev-community<https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community> >>>>> Post to : >>>>> elementary-dev-community@**lists.launchpad.net<elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net> >>>>> Unsubscribe : >>>>> https://launchpad.net/~**elementary-dev-community<https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community> >>>>> More help : >>>>> https://help.launchpad.net/**ListHelp<https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> > > -- > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community > Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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