After some more thinking, I've come to agree, it's not a bad solution
after all, and I'm not against it anymore. We should take into
consideration the idea of having it only in the software center, or even
both: we have an about page in the software center and the "About" item in
the quicklist will just open it.
So, I'd go for it, but obviously not for Luna, for L+1 only (or if it's
quick and trivial enough only AFTER the beta)
On Tue, 29 May 2012 21:34:23 +0200, Daniel Foré <dan...@elementaryos.org>
wrote:
I don't disagree with your 1st point. I really dislike the dual .desktop
thing Midori is currently doing and having root shortcuts is probably a
good work-around while we don't implement policy kit (which is probably
the
proper way to do it.)
I do disagree with the second point though. I'm not sure there's a real
big
distinction between opening up the app in a certain way (as root) and
opening to a certain place (about, prefs, certain plug in Switchboard).
The dock shouldn't be hidden by default (except possibly when a window is
maximized. We still have to test that).
But really, I think the real target of the About dialog is developers and
support techs, not users. So I'm not sure we really need it to be
discoverable. The only people who want to use it are people who know it
exists.
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Andrea Basso
<voluntatefa...@gmail.com>wrote:
@Dan, it makes sense to separate the two for two reason:
1. If I wanna start Files with root privileges or Midori in a private
session is quite handy to have them in the quicklist, it's acutally what
it's there for. It's a lot of useless user interaction to start the
program
and launch another session from the menu (like Midori does now) and
having
two .desktop files is completely wrong, the application is only one and
if
I dock one I wanna be able to access quickly even other way to launch
it,
it's stupid having to dock two (or more) items for the same app.
2. Dock is for launching apps, and that's it. If I right click on what I
clicked to launch it I expect different ways to launch it, revert the
launch (close it) or in general deal with app session, not the app
itself.
Plus, imagine a new user who wanna see the about dialog. You really
think
that going to a hidden place which reveals itself only when the mouse
goes
to the bottom of the screen and has nothing to do with interacting with
the
app and right-clicking on the app icon would make sense to find the
about
dialog? Discoverability (and sense) is next to zero.
So I don't really see how "About" fits in the quicklist.
On Tue, 29 May 2012 19:48:04 +0200, Daniel Foré
<dan...@elementaryos.org>
wrote:
@Mario, This is true that would mean that About dialog can't be shown
in
all DE's. But, I think as we move forward we're going to have to do
things
that will start to break other DE's in order to really get our apps the
best they can be.
However, adding actions to a .desktop in this way is being proposed
upstream to FD.o so this may be the way that GNOME handles it's
AppMenus
and Unity handles it's quicklists in the future. So I don't think we
should
worry too much about breaking other DE's.
@Satchit, I also agree that having window controls in the quicklist
menu
seems silly. I don't know of anyone who uses them for this and I would
advocate removing that from all of our apps.
@Andrea, the quicklist *is* our external menu. I don't think it'd make
sense to add yet-another-menuing-system.
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Mario Guerriero <mefri...@gmail.com
>wrote:
In this way the about dialog can't be showed in all DEs. I think
however
that this is a problem for Luna+1 because we can surely found a better
solution for it.
Mario Guerriero
Sent from iPhone 3GS
Il giorno 29/mag/2012, alle ore 18:56, Daniel Foré <
dan...@elementaryos.org> ha scritto:
Hey Guys,
When we first did the AppMenu, I think we felt that having only a
single
menu for an app was being extremely optimistic about it's design. But
it
seems that even so, some of the apps that have been built for
elementary
(Switchboard, Eidete, etc) are so contextual and awesome that they
don't
need an AppMenu at all except for a single item: About.
What I'd like to propose is moving "About" into a quicklist item. I
think
this would make sense because it's About the App not just the current
Window, and it would give us a consistent place to put this item (that
I'm
pretty sure we all want for all of our apps) without requiring
yet-another-otherwise-useless-**piece-of-UI.
Thoughts?
Best Regards,
Daniel Foré
elementaryos.org
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