On Friday 25 October 2013 12:51:37 Jan de Kruyf did opine: > So perhaps this is the right time for the ultimate solution: > > --lets stop lusting after the idols of Beckhoff.-- > > I have and I burned badly. Lots of good productive time down the drain, > because I liked the IgH stack so much. > And of course I still respect that piece of software. But in my > experience the Beckhoff attitude, the Beckhoff hardware and Beckhoff > service are bad news. > The hardware changes version every 5 minutes (read the configuration > files) and when you need real service you get the Disperin solution. > A while back I spend some very expensive money (i.e. lots of it) sorting > out an intermittent problem in a 10 axes machine running on a Beckhoff > NT computer. Beckhoff in Verl could not tell me (at any price) how to > monitor the Sercos loop in a case like this. I had to find it out > myself. In an Opensource environment that is off course quite > acceptable, but THIS WAS NOT. (And I dont think it even fair on the > local agent to talk about them) > > In my experience that company has sold its soul to Microsoft, which is > good for business, but bad for technological exellence. > > Perhaps this is a good solution to the communities dilemma: > > http://www.ethernet-powerlink.org/ > > The opensource stack might be configured as a master or a slave (good > for building your own io) and WAGO and a few others sell io off the > shelf. > > cheers, > > > j.
Sounds interesting Jan, but the site isn't 100% functional. I ran into 2 links that gave me black screens forever. And I was not able to determine if it works using OTS hardware for the ethernet itself. > On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 2:57 AM, EBo <e...@sandien.com> wrote: > > On Oct 24 2013 2:23 PM, John Morris wrote: > > > On 10/24/2013 02:06 PM, andy pugh wrote: > > >> On 24 October 2013 19:55, John Morris <j...@zultron.com> wrote: > > >>> I believe that these restrictions mean that neither the LinuxCNC > > >>> project > > >>> nor anyone else may distribute EtherCAT drivers in source code > > >>> form or > > >>> otherwise, since with EtherCAT drivers, the software would > > >>> essentially > > >>> become an 'EtherCAT device' subject to Beckhoff's licensing > > >>> requirements. > > >> > > >> Does it matter that the HAL driver in question is not itself an > > >> EtherCAT master, but simply a glue layer between HAL and a > > >> third-party > > >> EtherCAT Master? > > >> (An inexact analogy would be a GPL filter to save a document in > > >> Microsoft Word format) > > > > > > I'm no authority at all, of course, just trying to interpret these > > > matters for myself. I was becoming involved with packaging EtherCAT > > > before this topic was raised, so it affects me personally. > > > > > > I'm focusing on the paragraph of Gerd's email following the title > > > 'For > > > product /device manufacturers'. > > > > > > He writes, 'Making, marketing and sale of a product making use of > > > the EtherCAT technology requires membership in the ETG and > > > licensing of the > > > technology'. This sounds like LinuxCNC would qualify as such a > > > product, > > > and therefore those of us engaged in those activities (most all of > > > us here in emc-developers) would be bound by those requirements, > > > were EtherCAT to be included. > > > > > > A bit further down, he writes, 'if a product is a master stack > > > software, > > > a vendor of the master stack or the master device does require a > > > technology license agreement for the master product'. I don't > > > understand what 'master device' means or when the term would apply > > > to LinuxCNC or systems it runs on. In any case, it does apply to > > > IgH's EtherCAT Master for Linux implementation, and is a 'further > > > restriction' > > > explicitly prohibited by the GPL. > > > > We are going to run around and around and around wasting time on this > > until someone 1) emails both IgH and FSF and ask for a determination > > on a) will LinuxCNC require to have such an agreement, and b) if > > their added requirement is a violation of the GPL; or 2) someone > > hires a copyright lawyer to sort it out. All us arguing about it is > > a wast of time unless somone here IS actually a lawyer, hired one, or > > emailed the two principal determining parties. > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -------- October Webinars: Code for Performance > > Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. > > Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the > > most from > > the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. 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