On Friday 11 April 2014 16:25:14 John Kasunich did opine:

> On Fri, Apr 11, 2014, at 12:11 PM, Jon Elson wrote:
> > On 04/11/2014 12:41 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > And I haven't checked (I have to think about this stuff &
> > > then go back & check) as to whether the soft limits move
> > > with the touchoff or not.
> > 
> > The soft limits are in machine coordinates.  They
> > should be established when you home the machine,
> > and should not be altered by touchoff, G92 or anthing
> > else that affects WORK offsets only.
> > 
> > Now, unless somebody worked on it with this in mind, I
> > could easily see how you could have a threading cycle that
> > would exceed a machine limit (I guess that would be +Z)
> > that might not be detected by the trajectory planner.
> > The T.P. can't know how long the spindle will coast when
> > powered off, so it could end up coasting backwards beyond
> > the machine limit, if the start of the thread was just barely
> > below the +Z limit.
> 
> I'm pretty sure that Gene doesn't "touch off" in the way
> we think of it.  If I've followed past conversations correctly,
> he actually homes the machine using contact between
> tool and work (or tool and a widget that gives him a
> reference point).

The "widgit".  If there is nothing in the chuck, it works well, but if I 
need to rehome, and something is in the chuck, preventing the widget from 
backing up to the chuck, then yes, limits will move.  What I think I need 
to do is make a dummy tool I can't chip by running a workpiece into it, 
take a stick out measurement when I start making 4 copies of the next big 
thing, so that when the part is finished and cut off, I can put that tool 
back in, loosen the chuck and slide the work until it strikes the tool set 
with Z at the stickout point.  Re-center the workpiece and repeat, which 
would be far better than just re-homing to the stick out.

> Normally, you'd home the machine once and be done
> with it, and the limits would be set to protect the machine
> while allowing you to get your work done.  Then use
> "touch off" and G5x coordinate systems and/or tool
> offsets to deal with tool and part specifics.

Sounds like a headache reduction procedure to me,  thanks.
> 
> Since Gene uses home to deal with tool and part specifics,
> he has the side effect of limits moving around.

Yes.

Cheers, Gene
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