On Saturday 12 April 2014 00:10:38 Jon Elson did opine:

> On 04/11/2014 09:35 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > I agree Jon, but I think its me that needs to learn how
> > more than LCNC needs to be trained.
> 
> I had the capability of putting home switches on my machine from
> the VERY beginning, but I was lazy, didn't quite know how it
> was supposed to work, etc. etc.
> 
> I now KNOW I should have done it right after I moved to the
> original EMC!
> It has saved me a fair amount of trouble by eliminating all
> those cases
> where the placement of the part would have run me out of
> travel in
> some direction.  Now, when I LOAD the part program, I get a
> message
> about the limit that WOULD be exceeded if I HAD run the program.
> 
> > I seem to have stirred up a tempest that has escaped the
> > teapot, and I am almost sorry I did, but the discussion
> > that has followed has also been quite educational. Most
> > obvious is that I have some concepts about homing and
> > limits that I need to unlearn & learn better.
> 
> Yes, there are TWO coordinate systems.  One is the machine's
> coordinates,
> and the axis travel limits are in that system, referenced to
> the machine
> home position.
> 
> Then, there is the work coordinate system.  These systems
> are linked together
> with some offset when you do the touchoff function.  You
> just bring the
> tool down to within an umpteenth, like a thickness of paper
> and then
> hit touchoff and enter .005 or whatever the thickness of the
> paper
> is.
> 
> if you have a QC toolpost, you can enter all the offsets
> between your
> standard tools, and then when you touchoff one tool to the work,
> all the other tools are aligned to the workpiece ALSO,
> through the
> tool offsets.
> 
> When you shutdown LinuxCNC, all these settings are saved,
> and when
> you home the machine tomorrow, everything is brought back in.
> This would be especially helpful in the lathe's X axis,
> you'd never have
> to mike a diameter again.

IF you do all your boring with a bar and the post itself is never turned.  
Unforch, the size of pockets I need to make, like for a fresh #209 nipple, 
are usually predrilled 3/16", then an 1/8" two flute mill is chucked in a 
drill chuck attached to the boring bar holder, and the tool post turned 5 
degrees CCW so one corner of the mill is used for a boring bar.  Resetting 
the tool post dead square still means the tool table is toast.  So I have 
not spent a huge amount of time trying to calibrate it.  For that job, and 
similar ones, I need to learn how to make the cutter out of A2 rod and 
harden it.  For that, I need a rotary table that runs on dead center, or to 
invest in a 5C setup for tool holding. My 4" rotary has no morse taper 
center so centering a workpiece is a major PIMA.  I have the A2, but not 
the tempering ability.

> On the mill, I don't use the tool table much, as many things
> need drill
> bits held in Jacobs chucks, so the tool length will never be the
> same.  I could enter lengths for various end mills in end mill
> holders, as their length is repeatable.  But, since I don't
> have an
> auto tool changer, my work procedure is to mount a tool, fixture
> up the first part, and do all workpieces on that tool, then
> mount
> second tool, touch off, and run all the workpieces with the 2nd
> tool, and repeat.  Usually you can swap the workpieces very
> quickly,
> even faster than swapping tools.

On the mill, like for PCB etching, yes, I use a pallet made for that sized 
PCB.  But again, I don't have tool holders, only collets or drill chucks.  
Tool tables are a waste of time, so I usually incorporate one of my probing 
routines to set the TLO.
 
> On a lathe, however, swapping the workpieces may have problems
> with repeatable position in the chuck, so you want to do all the
> operations on each piece before removing it.

Absolutely.
 
> Jon
> 
> 
> 
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Cheers, Gene
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