Vitaly, your comment regarding CSA is incorrect. CSA is an NRTL just like the others. CSA has a mark for NRTL approval.
Regards G. Rae Dulmage "Gorodetsky, Vitaly" wrote: > George, > You have overlooked MET, NTS, WYLE, SWRI and others. For a complete list > and the scope of recognition, go to the OSHA website. > Though, CSA is recognized NRTL, I am afraid, that the issuance of the NRTL > mark does not necessarily mean that CSA mark can be automatically affixed to > a product. There should be Mutual Recognition Agreement between a > particular NRTL and the CSA. Is it correct? > > Regards > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: geor...@lexmark.com [SMTP:geor...@lexmark.com] > > Sent: Monday, November 22, 1999 5:11 AM > > To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org > > Subject: RE: NRTL acceptance > > > > > > Actually, the following NRTLs are approved by OSHA for evaluation > > to UL 1950: > > > > UL, CSA, ITS (former ETL), TUV Rheinland, MET, and SGS. > > > > There may be some I have overlooked. > > > > George Alspaugh > > > > ---------------------- Forwarded by George Alspaugh/Lex/Lexmark on > > 11/22/99 > > 08:09 AM --------------------------- > > > > vgorodetsky%canoga....@interlock.lexmark.com on 11/19/99 04:57:29 PM > > > > Please respond to vgorodetsky%canoga....@interlock.lexmark.com > > > > To: George_Alspaugh/Lex/Lexmark@LEXMARK, > > emc-pstc%majordomo.ieee....@interlock.lexmark.com > > cc: (bcc: George Alspaugh/Lex/Lexmark) > > Subject: RE: NRTL acceptance > > > > > > > > > > Terry and George, > > > > In this country of ours, there are three equally acceptable safety marks: > > UL, ETL and NRTL. But, as we all know, some acceptable marks are more > > equal > > than others. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: geor...@lexmark.com [SMTP:geor...@lexmark.com] > > > Sent: Friday, November 19, 1999 11:02 AM > > > To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org > > > Subject: NRTL acceptance > > > > > > > > > Terry, > > > > > > You have raised a very good question. The problem is that the U.S. > > > had only one approved safety agency for so long, that it is > > > difficult to wean non-laymen away from that one agency mark. This > > > includes your (and my) management, marketing, customers, etc. Few > > > of these understand the meaning of NRTL, with its variety of agency > > > approvals and marks. > > > > > > I did fight this battle over an off-the-shelf peripheral we needed > > > to market which did not have the "traditional" safety mark, but an > > > acceptable NRTL mark. One of the positions I to confront was that > > > many Federal, state, or local "government" bids require "the" mark. > > > > > > I referenced the Code of Federal Regulations, OSHA sections, citing > > > acceptable U.S. authorized NRTLs. I pointed out that compliance to > > > UL 1950 was the needed requirement, not which agency did the actual > > > assessment. One problem is that those who write the specifications > > > for government bids are not aware of this fact, and do continue to > > > list only one agency mark into the document. In a way, this is > > > probably a violation of federal law, i.e. requiring vendors to do > > > "business" with a specified private company, thus stifling any > > > competition. Isn't this what the goverment is accusing Microsoft > > > of doing? > > > > > > You are exactly right. As PSE professionals, we should be able to > > > look for and use whatever options are legally available to meet our > > > employer's certification needs in the most timely and cost effective > > > manner. Unfortunately, in the U.S. this requires a significant > > > amount of internal and external education as to the actual legal > > > options. > > > > > > George Alspaugh > > > Lexmark International Inc. > > > > > > ---------------------- Forwarded by George Alspaugh/Lex/Lexmark on > > > 11/19/99 > > > 01:41 PM --------------------------- > > > > > > tjmeck%accusort....@interlock.lexmark.com on 11/19/99 12:25:38 PM > > > > > > Please respond to tjmeck%accusort....@interlock.lexmark.com > > > > > > To: emc-pstc%ieee....@interlock.lexmark.com > > > cc: (bcc: George Alspaugh/Lex/Lexmark) > > > Subject: NRTL acceptance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi: > > > > > > We have been using an old reliable but very busy Safety agency to > > > review our products and apply their safety mark. > > > > > > From time to time we are approached by their competitors, NRTLs, or > > > European soon to be NRTL labs for our business. > > > > > > My question is in this `NRTL enlightened market are there still > > > inspectors out there that will still require education about the NRTL > > > status and the acceptability of an NRTL lab Listing vs the old familiar > > > ones? > > > > > > As you all know time to market is critical and 3 to 6 months is too > > > long to wait. We will need to look for other solutions and I am trying > > > to review the whole range of issues involved in changing the primary > > > NRTL. > > > > > > I hope this is not too commercial a question! If you feel it is please > > > reply to me directly. > > > > > > Thank you! > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Terry J. Meck > > > Senior Compliance/Test Engineer > > > Phone:215-721-5280 > > > Fax:215-721-5551 hard copy; > > > Fax PC: 215.799.1650 To my desk PC > > > tjm...@accusort.com > > > Accu-Sort Systems Inc. > > > 511 School House Rd. > > > Telford, PA 18969-1196 USA > > > > > > > > > > > > --------- > > > This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. > > > To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org > > > with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the > > > quotes). 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