The same goes for the traditional NRTL. Believe it or not, they are not approved by OSHA in all standards that they test to. In some case it does not mean that they or any other NRTL don't know how to test to that standard so please don't interpret this as a knock against anyone. It just means that legally, the mark is meaningless to OSHA but in all likelihood is accepted by the Authority Having Jurisdiction and the consumer.
Please respond to umbdenst...@sensormatic.com To: emc-p...@ieee.org, goedd...@sensormatic.com cc: (bcc: Steve Williams/SDD/NAM/APCC) From: umbdenst...@sensormatic.com on 11/22/99 10:47 AM Subject: RE: NRTL acceptance A corollary to Jim's comments -- We were using a "non-traditional" NRTL with favorable experiences -- rapid approval process, cost competitive, etc. Then a particular contract that we were bidding on specified the "traditional" NRTL. Our original NRTL was assisting us with the educational process until the customer came up with his own "educational exposure". It seems that our previous NRTL had not applied or been approved for the specific standards (a new business that we had entered into at that time) required for this contract. They were more than willing to learn the process, but bottom line, they were not approved by OSHA for that standard at that time. The NRTL did not volunteer that information; the customer pulled it out of the NRTL in one of those "I'm from Missouri -- show me" challenges. So when investigating an alternative NRTL, be sure they have the correct approvals (documented) for the standards applicable to your product. Don Umbdenstock Sensormatic > ---------- > From: goedd...@sensormatic.com[SMTP:goedd...@sensormatic.com] > Reply To: goedd...@sensormatic.com > Sent: Friday, November 19, 1999 2:07 PM > To: emc-p...@ieee.org > Subject: RE: NRTL acceptance > > > Terry, > > We have used four agencies through the years, and still have many products > with other than our main agency. > > Over the past three years, there was one incident with a NEC inspector > that > did not correctly identify the backwards RU of a very famous NRTL. There > were a couple of other times where the inspector was looking for a certain > mark, and flagged us until we could explain that we used a different > agency. > So generally speaking, there is sometimes an education process required. > > On the positive side, the NRTL involved has always been very helpful in > the > education process. > > James Goedderz > Sensormatic > > > ---------- > > From: Terry Meck[SMTP:tjm...@accusort.com] > > Reply To: Terry Meck > > Sent: Friday, November 19, 1999 12:25 PM > > To: emc-p...@ieee.org > > Subject: NRTL acceptance > > > > > > Hi: > > > > We have been using an old reliable but very busy Safety agency to > > review our products and apply their safety mark. > > > > From time to time we are approached by their competitors, NRTLs, or > > European soon to be NRTL labs for our business. > > > > My question is in this `NRTL enlightened market are there still > > inspectors out there that will still require education about the NRTL > > status and the acceptability of an NRTL lab Listing vs the old familiar > > ones? > > > > As you all know time to market is critical and 3 to 6 months is too > > long to wait. We will need to look for other solutions and I am trying > > to review the whole range of issues involved in changing the primary > > NRTL. > > > > I hope this is not too commercial a question! If you feel it is please > > reply to me directly. > > > > Thank you! > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > Terry J. Meck > > Senior Compliance/Test Engineer > > Phone:215-721-5280 > > Fax:215-721-5551 hard copy; > > Fax PC: 215.799.1650 To my desk PC > > tjm...@accusort.com > > Accu-Sort Systems Inc. > > 511 School House Rd. > > Telford, PA 18969-1196 USA > > > > > > --------- > > This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. > > To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org > > with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the > > quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, > > jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or > > roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). > > > > > > --------- > This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. > To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org > with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the > quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, > jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or > roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). > > --------- This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). --------- This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
