Let's don't get too far off the original path. The CE mark is just one of
the pieces of information that some directives require on the packaging. For
example, the R&TTE directive requires additional information concerning any
constraints on the use of a radio in any of the EU countries. 

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                From:  bill.ellingf...@motionmedia.co.uk
[SMTP:bill.ellingf...@motionmedia.co.uk] on behalf of Bill Ellingford
                Sent:  Wednesday, June 23, 1999 12:46 PM
                To:  't...@world.std.com'
                Subject:  RE: Packaging vs. Shipping Container

                Hi Treg world
                Re CE mark, 
                The mark allows the free movement of goods within the EU and
EFTA nations.  This is because it is indicating conformity against certain
directives, which apply throughout the union.  Therefore, if a product falls
within the category of a directive, it requires the mark even if only sold
in one member state.  This legislation will become even more important under
the new R&TTE directive 99/5/EC.

                When CE marking a product, you are also declaring conformity
against the applicable directives (interested parties may request a copy of
this declaration).  A product that does not meet any directives would not be
CE marked.  This could occurr for items that do not fall within the scope of
current directives otherwise for products that do, the product would be
non-conformant.

                Most things electrical will fall under either the EMC
directive or the Low Voltage Directive and thus require CE marking to show
conformity.  SES and TTE fall under the SES&TTE directive which is also
linked to the harmonised use of the CE mark.

                Note also that when the R&TTE comes into force, the LVD is
to be changed such that electrical safety requirements apply to any R&TTE
product.

                The mark may be prominently displayed on packaging to assist
European customs.  It does not need to be placed on shipping containers as
these are allowed to be opened and inspected under customs legislation.

                This is a slightly rushed response so I appologise if it is
not well worded.  The scope I believe to be accurate but I welcome others to
join in on this one.

                Bill Ellingford.  Approvals Manager
                Motion Media Technology Ltd 

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                        From:
colin_mcgeec...@hp-unitedkingdom-om4.om.hp.com[SMTP:COLIN_MCGEECHAN@HP-Unite
dKingdom-om4.om.hp.com]
                        Sent:   23 June 1999 15:16
                        To:     mschm...@xrite.com
                        Cc:     t...@world.std.com
                        Subject:        RE: Packaging vs. Shipping Container

                             Richard, Mark,
                             
                             I have to disagree, the intention of the CE
mark is to show 
                             compliance with European Directives (those
applicable), it allows 
                             free movement of goods across the EU borders.
It's intention is 
                             not to "provide the consumer with information
so that they can 
                             make an informed purchasing decision."
                             
                             I would suggest that a product can be designed,
manufactured and 
                             sold within one European Country without having
the CE mark 
                             applied. It may well be within the scope of
some European 
                             Directive, but as long as it does not cross any
National Border 
                             then the CE mark is not required, so long as it
meets the local 
                             regulations.
                             
                             Why would Joe Public care if his pc printer had
a CE mark as long 
                             as it gives good quality prints and doesn't
interfere with his TV 
                             set. You're mixing customer needs with
regulatory requirements.
                             
                             I'd say put the mark on any of the packaging
you see fit, as long 
                             as you can back this up with some rational. If
a customs 
                             inspector isn't satisfied with the markings on
the shipping 
                             container, they'll keep peeling the layers
until they find what 
                             they are after.
                             
                             Cheers,
                             
                             Colin.


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                        Subject: RE: Packaging vs. Shipping Container
                        Author:  Non-HP-MSchmidt (mschm...@xrite.com) at
HP-UnitedKingdom,mimegw6
                        Date:    06/23/99 2:29 PM


                        Richard,
                             
                        I agree.
                        Your definitions are very rational. 
                             
                        Regards,
                             
                        Mark Schmidt
                        mschm...@xrite.com <mailto:mschm...@xrite.com> 
                        Phone:  (616) 257-2469
                        X-Rite Incorporated
                        3100 44th Street, S. W. 
                        Grandville, Michigan 49418
                        USA
                        Website -  www.x-rite.com <http://www.x-rite.com>  
                             
                             
                        -----Original Message-----
                        From:   WOODS, RICHARD [SMTP:wo...@sensormatic.com] 
                        Sent:   Wednesday, June 23, 1999 8:49 AM
                        To:     'emc-pstc'; 'treg'
                        Subject:        Packaging vs. Shipping Container
                             
                        Various EU Directives require certain information to
be placed on the 
                        "packaging" of a product. However, packaging is not
defined. The intent of 
                        the requirements appears to be to provide the
consumer with information so 
                        that they can make an informed purchasing decision.
Please put on your 
                        lawyer's hat and tell me if the following
definitions are reasonable to 
                        distinguish "packaging" from a "shipping container"
for compliance marking 
                        purposes.
                             
                        Shipping Container: A protective container in which
a product is placed for 
                        shipping purposes. The container is not intended for
public display of the 
                        product such as in a retail store, nor is it
intended to convey product 
                        information to the consumer; therefore, displayed
product information may be 
                        limited. The product in the shipping container may
or may not be enclosed in 
                        "packaging".
                        Products intended to be shipped direct to the end
user may not include 
                        packaging.
                             
                        Packaging: A container in which the product is
placed for public display 
                        purposes in retail shops and similar stores.
Consumer information and 
                        certain required compliance information is displayed
on the packaging. 
                        

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