I didn't understand the first time around that the rf generator causing the interference was the 400 kHz bombarder. Mr. Gibbs cleared that up. The bombarders are used for induction heating. That creates a very strong magnetic field. It is possible the 530 kHz receiver also uses a coil antenna. If the magnetic induction heating takes place in the immediate vicinity of the receiver coil, even a well-filtered receiver front-end might not provide enough rejection. One possible solution is for the victim link to go to whip antennas if too much sensitivity isn't sacrificed.
---------- >From: "Ken Javor" <ken.ja...@emccompliance.com> >To: wmf...@aol.com, emc-p...@ieee.org >Cc: jim.gi...@hedus.com >Subject: Re: EMI trouble shoot inquiry >Date: Mon, Oct 15, 2001, 3:36 PM > > > You don't say what the rf generator frequency is. If it is also MF (300 kHz > - 3 MHz) ferrite tiles won't work. hard to give useful info without more > definition of the culprit emitter and its purpose. If the rf generator > drives a load through coax then it ought to be easy to shield it and contain > the radiation. If the rf generator feeds an antenna then the problem is > more difficult. If the rf generator operates at HF or above then filtering > of the victim might be possible. > > But there simply isn't enough info here. > > ---------- >>From: wmf...@aol.com >>To: <emc-p...@ieee.org> >>Cc: <jim.gi...@hedus.com> >>Subject: EMI trouble shoot inquiry >>Date: Mon, Oct 15, 2001, 1:43 PM >> > >> >> Group: >> I attach an RF interference inquiry from a customer; I have no 'smarts' >> where RF ID is concerned, so I turn to this august body... >> >> ==paste==We have an OMRON RFID data transfer system operating within the >> same room as 12 RF generators (bombarders). The transmission frequency for >> the RFID system is 530 kHz and the transmission frequency for the >> bombarders is 400 kHz. The RFID system works through an antenna embedded >> in a pallet and a stationary read/write head. The bombarders are >> positioned on a platform overhead. The normal sequence is for a pallet >> containing a bulb to move via conveyor to a read/write station where >> information is taken from and added to the pallet. The pallet is conveyed >> through several different processes, being read/written on roughly 8 >> occasions. One of the processes contains an RF generator. We are >> experiencing problems with the RFID system when the RF generators are on. >> The read/write system operates properly when the RF generators are off. We >> have determined that the RF generators are creating an interference that >> does not allow the RFID to operate properly. Initially, w! >> e built copper shields in the area of some >> of the RFID stationary heads. This did not seem to help. We also placed >> EMI suppressors on the RFID cables(near the read heads). This also was not >> helpful. I have spoken to a company that suggested the use of Ferrite >> tiles to absorb the interfering waves. The problem with these tiles is >> that they are very brittle and difficult to use for shields. The concept >> sounds good but I don't have much flexibility in where I can place the >> shields. I am currently trying to use ferrite magnets attached to the >> copper guards. Any help/suggestions you could give me would be greatly >> appreciated. >> ===end paste== >> Thanks for any suggestions; reply as you see fit. >> >> WmFlanigan >> >> ------------------------------------------- >> This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety >> Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. >> >> Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ >> >> To cancel your subscription, send mail to: >> majord...@ieee.org >> with the single line: >> unsubscribe emc-pstc >> >> For help, send mail to the list administrators: >> Michael Garretson: pstc_ad...@garretson.org >> Dave Heald davehe...@mediaone.net >> >> For policy questions, send mail to: >> Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org >> Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org >> >> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: >> No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old >> messages are imported into the new server. >> > > ------------------------------------------- > This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety > Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. > > Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ > > To cancel your subscription, send mail to: > majord...@ieee.org > with the single line: > unsubscribe emc-pstc > > For help, send mail to the list administrators: > Michael Garretson: pstc_ad...@garretson.org > Dave Heald davehe...@mediaone.net > > For policy questions, send mail to: > Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org > Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org > > All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: > No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old > messages are imported into the new server. > ------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. 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