Arthur: I am not sure and would refer this question to the group.
Best regards, Samuel Lifshutz Manager QA MRV Communications Inc. 20520 Nordhoff Street Chatsworth, CA 91311, USA Tel: (818) 772-6235 x265 Fax: (818) 772-0576 email: slifsh...@mrv.com From: Arthur Michael [mailto:amich...@safetylink.com] Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 5:43 AM To: Samuel Lifshutz Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: NRTL mark required for goods shipped into USA? Hello Samuel, And, what say you of products not used in the workplace (I don't necessarily agree with the position stated by some that one's home is a workplace - other than for home based businesses)? Best regards, Art Michael -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- | http://www.safetylink.com | | | | The Safety Link is the most comprehensive collection | | of product safety and standards resources on the WEB | | | | Int'l Product Safety News | | (It's our 18th Anniversary 1988-2006) | | P.O.Box 1561 - WWW | | Middletown CT 06457-8061 U.S.A. | | Phone: (860) 344-1651 Fax: (860) 346-9066 | | http://www.safetylink.com/#IPSN | -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- =========================================== On Fri, 16 Jun 2006, Samuel Lifshutz wrote: > Group: > > > > Here are the reasons for safety compliance in USA. > > > > In United States, Code of Federal Regulations, CFR 29, Subpart S, Part > 1910.399 states that installation or equipment that utilizes electricity > and used in the workplace must be acceptable to the Assistant Secretary > of Labor. > > > > Acceptable. An installation or equipment is acceptable to the Assistant > Secretary of Labor, and approved within the meaning of this Subpart S: > > (i) If it is accepted, or certified, or listed, or labeled, or otherwise > determined to be safe by a nationally recognized testing laboratory; or > > (ii) With respect to an installation or equipment of a kind which no > nationally recognized testing laboratory accepts, certifies, lists, > labels, or determines to be safe, if it is inspected or tested by > another Federal agency, or by a State, municipal, or other local > authority responsible for enforcing occupational safety provisions of > the National Electrical Code, and found in compliance with the > provisions of the National Electrical Code as applied in this subpart; > or > > (iii) With respect to custom-made equipment or related installations > which are designed, fabricated for, and intended for use by a particular > customer, if it is determined to be safe for its intended use by its > manufacturer on the basis of test data which the employer keeps and > makes available for inspection to the Assistant Secretary and his > authorized representatives. Refer to 1910.7 for definition of nationally > recognized testing laboratory. > > > > CFR 29 provides the list of NRTL and a list of standards acceptable to > the Assistant Secretary of Labor. > > > > Failure to have product listed by NRTL is a violation of law. > > > > States laws, municipal, local and industry regulations may have > additional acceptability requirements. > > > > Non-compliance may result in criminal and civil penalties. > > > > Samuel Lifshutz > > Manager QA > > MRV Communications Inc. > > 20520 Nordhoff Street > > Chatsworth, CA 91311, USA > > Tel: (818) 772-6235 x265 > > Fax: (818) 772-0576 > > email: slifsh...@mrv.com > > Registered by QMI to ISO 9001:2000 > > > > ________________________________ > > From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of > Jayasinghe, Ryan > Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 11:34 AM > To: ted.eck...@apcc.com; charles.black...@sulisconsultants.com > Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org > Subject: RE: NRTL mark required for goods shipped into USA? > > > > Hello All, > > Also from GR1089: 7.2 Listing Requirements > R7-1 [22] All network equipment that is directly powered by commercial > ac, either through a hard-wire or plug-and-cord connection, shall be > listed for the purpose by a Nationally Recognized Testing Laboratory > (NRTL)....and is mentioned in several other sections depending on > product type-required tests. > > Applies also Customer Premise Equipment powered by AC. > > The folks performing NEBS testing might require NRTL listing. > > Ryan Jazz Jayasinghe Compliance Engineer x1198 > Canoga Perkins Direct:(818) 678-3898 > 20600 Prairie Street Company:(818) 718-6300 > Chatsworth, CA 91311-6008 e-mail: r...@canoga.com > www.canoga.com FAX:(818) 678-3798 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of > ted.eck...@apcc.com > Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 6:56 AM > To: charles.black...@sulisconsultants.com > Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org > Subject: Re: NRTL mark required for goods shipped into USA? > > > > Hello Charlie, > > The United States National Electrical Code does not require NRTL Listing > > for general installations, but it is a benefit. Products that are not > NRTL > marked are subject to the approval of the local electrical inspector. > That > person has the ability to accept unmarked product, but then you have to > deal with their preferences and prejudices in your design. NRTL > approval > dramatically reduces the risk of a local inspector rejecting your > equipment. Of course, you will find some local inspectors who will > reject > any product without NRTL marking. Although there are legal ways to > avoid > NRTL marking, it has essentially become a requirement based on local > inspections. > > In terms of NEBS, each of the US telephone companies has their own > requirements based on the Telcordia NEBS standards. You need to comply > with the specific requirements of your customer. > http://www.nebs-faq.com/do_the_rbocs_have_requirements_over.htm > You are correct that the RBOC has the right to make the final decision > on > any product. > > Ted Eckert > American Power Conversion Corporation > > The items contained in this e-mail reflect the personal opinions of the > writer and are only provided for the assistance of the reader. The > writer > is not speaking in an official capacity for APC nor representing APC's > official position on any matter. > > > > > > "Charles > > Blackham" > > <charles.blackham > To > @sulisconsultants emc-p...@ieee.org > > .com> > cc > Sent by: > > emc-p...@ieee.org > Subject > NRTL mark required for goods > > shipped into USA? > > 06/14/2006 04:18 > > AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group > > Client wishes to ship wirelss Telecom equipment to US customer for use > at > RBOC central office or commercial sites. The unit meets IEC60950-1, but > does not yet have an NRTL mark. > > As I understand it OSHA requires electrical equipment in a place of work > > to be NRTL listed / field marked or similar, through this does not apply > > to RBOCs as they operate their own (NEBS) rules. > > Also, AIUI, the right to install and operate of a piece of equipment at > an > RBOC premise is given by the person responsible for that building - its > not a "given right" based on any particular level of NEBS compliance or > non-compliance. > > Please could someone confirm that I'm right, or correct any > mis-understanding. > > Also - do US customs take any interest in electrical equipment arriving > in > the US without an NRTL mark? > > regards > Charlie > > Charles Blackham > Sulis Consultants Ltd > > - > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society > emc-pstc discussion list. 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