Fred,
This is great, but you failed to mention one BIG difference between the ADS and the cell phone – Mega Watt vs. milli-Watt. Copper is a poisonous metal to the human body when consumed in large quantities, but last time I checked, my vitamin (from A to Zinc) contains several micro grams of copper (and you have to pay for it!) George ________________________________ From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Fred Townsend Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 2:05 PM To: Gert Gremmen Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: Another Cancer Scare? This discussion may be delayed but I suspect it will go on for a long time. What next cell phones as a weapon? Opps, sorry they are already used in IEDs. How about long range popcorn popping? See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Denial_System. If this will give you a headache, surely the lawsuits for brain cancer can't be far away. Fred Townsend DC to Light Gert Gremmen wrote: To end this discussion (??!??), my opinion about this subject: EM fields of different frequencies and power levels will probably impact our body. So does eating salt, fat food, driving cars and talking loud. Reading email is probably harmful to your eyes. Mains harmonics will cause induced currents in your body; doctors and physicians will sooner or later day prove a correlation between cancer and cell phones. The same correlation they found between eating meat and cancer, and between most of the actions of life and cancer. I think most of these correlations are within the noise margins of risk and life. Each factor exists and is true, but is small compared to the total risk, and even more important, removing one source of cancer risk won’t reduce the total risk. (like summing 100 noise sources, and removing one) Annihilating all sources of cancer is impossible, and we have to live with the fact that now and then one of us is to die early because of cancer. We live on a dangerous planet, radiated by damaging sun radiation, dangerous natural radio-activity, stress causing partners and children to live with, and all kinds of small risks of dangerous nature. If you cannot live with the risk of cancer from your cellular, stop crossing roads and driving cars, flying planes and eating at MacDonald’s. Stop living. If there were a substantial risk on cancer by exposure to EM-waves, this would have been proven without doubt a long time ago. Like happened for radio-activity. The “inventor” of radio-activity (M. Curie) died of it. Like the substantial risks caused by exposure for certain chemicals and cancer. Wise design incorporates reducing any source of energy impacting the human body, for numerous reasons, not just cancer. Low power transmitters allow for longer standby time, and smaller batteries, reducing environmental impact and increasing quality of the product, as well as lower costs, and yes , preventing costly investigations that have been done over and over, trying to quantify a neglectable effect. Gert Gremmen Van: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] Namens Tang, George Verzonden: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 9:19 PM Aan: d.ba...@ieee.org CC: emc-p...@ieee.org Onderwerp: RE: Another Cancer Scare? Thank you. George ________________________________ From: dBaron [mailto:d.ba...@ieee.org] Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 12:00 PM To: Tang, George; 'Monrad Monsen' Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: Another Cancer Scare? Sir: The intermittent, registration communications between a mobile phone and its base station are milliseconds in duration at intervals of 5-10 minutes; minimal exposures. Regards, Dave Baron, PE Consulting Engineer Electromagnetic Field Safety Austin, TX Voice: 512 917-8346 Fax: 206 203-0605 From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Tang, George Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 1:53 PM To: Monrad Monsen; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: Another Cancer Scare? This is very good information. But has any one done any study on the effects (if any) of cell phone fields on body internal organs? We know that cell phones make intermittent communications with cell towers even when they are not in use. Therefore, by simply carrying the cell phone with us, we are already exposed to the cell phone transmitting energy. Thus, it really does not matter if we are making long calls or short calls – we are being radiated 24 hours a day by just wearing the cell phone on the body. Thanks for addressing this. George Tang ________________________________ From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Monrad Monsen Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 7:18 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: Another Cancer Scare? This has been an interesting discussion. There is definitely a lot of interest in this subject. Our EMC chapter in Denver heard a talk on this subject from an EMC Society Distinguished Lecturer (Dr. Michel Ianoz) on July 26, 2004. This presentation addressed the subject of "Biological and Health Effects of Electromagnetic Fields" in a very organized and detailed manner using three approaches: * Calculation and measurement (engineers) * Biological effects (biologists and engineers) * Effects on health (medical doctors and statisticians) I was impressed with the variety of approaches that have been used to study the topic. He concluded that more studies needed to be done, but basically the health risk is at such a low level that it is difficult to evaluate. This contrasts greatly from the clear health risks of heavy smoking. But we should be concerned when we see that moss growth and other biological organisms are affected when exposed to electromagnetic energy. Certainly, the power limits and restrictions used today greatly reduce this concern. I have no problems using cell phones next to my ear for short calls, but I prefer to use an ear bud or the speaker phone function for longer calls to keep the phone farther >from my brain. By going to our chapter web site, you can see the record of the meeting (http://www.ewh.ieee.org/r5/denver/rock mountainemc/archive/2004/July/index.html) and the actual slides he presented (http://www.ewh.ieee.org/r5/denver/rock mountainemc/archive/2004/July/bioeffect.pdf). Enjoy! Monrad Monsen Chairman, Rocky Mountain Chapter of EMC Society (RMCEMC) of IEEE -- Monrad L. 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