Hello Jim, See below --- On Tue, 10/27/09, Knighten, Jim L <jim.knigh...@teradata.com> wrote:
From: Knighten, Jim L <jim.knigh...@teradata.com> Subject: certifying overall products vs. certifying individual constituant chassis To: emc-p...@ieee.org Cc: "Rowson, Stuart" <stuart.row...@teradata.com> Date: Tuesday, October 27, 2009, 2:19 PM I am wondering what the industry experience is regarding basing EMC or Safety product certification on individual chassis (or subsystems/components) that may comprise the product, vs. certification at the product level? Peter: Most manufacturers of rackable systems do tests and certification at the system level. In particular, I have some products that are 40U racks containing multiple chassis, each of which is compliant and has its own certification. Currently, product certification is done at the entire product level (i.e., rack) and there is a product regulatory label on the overall product. I know that some companies (names withheld) that appear to be certifying only at the chassis level, rather at the ensemble product level. Peter: I also have come across some manufacturers that have not certified at the system level. Some of these manufacturers have been negligent about safety/emc regulations - others have done their due diligence and have additionally tested the racks at the system level (even though they have not submitted the rack system for certification by a third party). The latter may have tested system level tests for emc (quiet an experience as you mention below), but also have conducted internal safety tests such as Input Test (to ensure the overall system ratings are not exceeded), monitored internal ambient temperature to ensure the internal chassis manufacturer's specified ambient levels are not exceeded, Leakage Current Test to ensure the cord connected earthed limit of 3.5 mA is not exceeded (exceptions if product is marked with a High Leakage Current Marking and provided with a specialized plug) and for rack systems that are not fixed to the floor, a Stability Test is conducted. From the safety standpoint, in the US and other parts of the world, a local inspector or certification body may not have problems with a rack system that has internal components that are Listed/Certified having their own power cords or interconnected by means of a PDU. As such some manufacturers opt for certification at the subassemly level. As the long as the subassemly is Listed/Certified, no further action is required. Such manufacturers are putting themselves at risk if they have not taken precautionary measues to ensure the system is compliant with all of the applicable safety requirements. Same goes with emc. For EMI, I know the physics tto ebeaches us that CE + CE does NOT equal CE (i.e. one compliant chassis combined with another compliant chassis does not assure a compliant combination of the two chassis). I have war stories to corroborate this. Peter: You are 100% correct and I know a few people in this forum whom I worked with in the past who can attest to this. For Safety, there are some tests (heating test is an example) that can be are run at the product level. Peter: That is correct, but the manufacturer's specified maximimum ambient levels must be followed. In other words, if you purchase an ethernet switch which has been tested to a 25 deg C ambient (you can review the manufacturer's safety test reports), you cannot use it in your rack system which may be rated for a 50 deg C ambient. Country approval documentation requirements vary by country, but usually there is requirement for a DoC, CB report, etc. Peter: This is an area where you need to spend time and define the countries where certification or a type approval is a must, the exceptions and what documentation (CB, NRTL Listing, FCC, EU EMC) will be required to meet the country's mandatory certification requirements for safety and/or emc. A system CB and/or emc report as applicable will go a long way in complying with the country's mandatory requirements. I get increasing pressure internally (economically driven) to declare product certification done if all the constituent chassis are compliant and certified. Peter: This could be a great solution for a country that has no specific regulations for safety and/or emc. For countries suc as the US where product liability laws are strict, proof of compliance at the system level is the way to go What is the experience you guys have? Thanks in advance, Jim __________________________ James L. Knighten, Ph.D. EMC Engineer Teradata Corporation 17095 Via Del Campo San Diego, CA 92127 858-485-2537 – phone 858-485-3788 – fax (unattended) - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. 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