In all fairness to Orgalime, the answer that Rich gives doesn't really provide a practical solution for component manufacturers.
As long as all the agencies accept UL certification of components as valid and UL is reluctant to accept component certifications from other agencies, this will drive component manufacturers to always go to UL for certification, though they may get other certifications in addition to UL depending on perceived market advantages of doing so. An end product manufacturer is certainly free to go to another NRTL rather than UL, but the component manufacturers aren't going to go away from UL unless and until the advantage UL has here is eliminated - which is unlikely to be driven by the market without some form of outside intervention or collaboration among competing entities. Even if all of a sudden UL were to lose most of its market share for end products, as long as their component certification is the only one that is universally accepted by all NRTLs, the situation will not change. Historical considerations have created a situation where competition alone doesn't truly determine who wins. Scott Aldous Compliance Engineer AE Solar Energy +1.970.492.2065 Direct +1.970.214.9427 Mobile +1.970.407.5872 Fax +1.541.312.3832 Main scott.ald...@aei.com 1625 Sharp Point Drive Fort Collins, CO 80525 www.advanced-energy.com/solarenergy -----Original Message----- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of John Woodgate Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 1:31 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: Orgalime: UL an "effective barrier to trade" In message <F6AE313A8C2E4BBB853398779B4A47BE@RichardHPdv6>, dated Thu, 22 Dec 2011, Richard Nute <ri...@ieee.org> writes: >The answer to the Orgalime paper is to use a >different certification house for both >components and end-products. Competition >determines who wins. I really wish these European bodies would do their homework properly when making a case, instead of attacking straw men. > > >Best wishes for the holiday season, Your seasonal felicitations are cordially reciprocated. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK Some people who are peeling the finch of the financial crisis are thinking of biting a rook. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <emcp...@radiusnorth.net> Mike Cantwell <mcantw...@ieee.org> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: <j.bac...@ieee.org> David Heald: <dhe...@gmail.com> This message, including any attachments, may contain information that is confidential and proprietary information of Advanced Energy Industries, Inc. The dissemination, distribution, use or copying of this message or any of its attachments is strictly prohibited without the express written consent of Advanced Energy Industries, Inc. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <emcp...@radiusnorth.net> Mike Cantwell <mcantw...@ieee.org> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: <j.bac...@ieee.org> David Heald: <dhe...@gmail.com>
