PSNetters & Rich, I agree that there has been a lot of discussion and a lot of confusion over Functional Earth.
My ongoing contention is that it is acceptable to carry the earth into the equipment for functional purposes and bury it there. The next argument is that this earthing connexion should not have to meet the same requirements as the PE; ok as long as it is not accessible anywhere on the product (tinsel wire earth/ground lead). If, however, it is accessible to any of the required pins & probes then the usual (40A) earthing test is required and the unit must pass. This is usually a problem where secondary circuits are attached to earth/ground and this common electrode is accessible on connectors (such as USB). You can't have it both ways, tho - declaring the earthing for functional purposes then making it exposed to user. Not acceptable. :>) br, Pete Peter E Perkins, PE Principal Product Safety Engineer PO Box 23427 Tigard, ORe 97281-3427 503/452-1201 fone/fax p.perk...@ieee.org _ _ _ _ _ "This 'functional earth' is indeed a source of total confusion. I don't see why anything would need one." One common use is to connect the Y1 capacitors to earth. "But if it does, the point is that it can be connected by thin wire that won't carry the PE fault current. It seem silly to me; just use the necessary thicker wire so that earth/ground is 'protective' and thus the product is Class I; the cost is minimal and the hassle is reduced to zero." An easy way to obtain an FE is to connect it to the PE terminal in the equipment which connects to the PE in the mains cord which connects to the PE in the building. My audio equipment is metal-encased two-wire, but it includes a FE terminal on the back. I suppose this is to facilitate an external antenna. I wanted to earth the equipment, so I ran a green-yellow wire to the earth (PE) pin of an otherwise empty plug. A lot easier than running a thin wire to a separate earth rod. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <sdoug...@ieee.org> Mike Cantwell <mcantw...@ieee.org> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: <j.bac...@ieee.org> David Heald: <dhe...@gmail.com> - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <sdoug...@ieee.org> Mike Cantwell <mcantw...@ieee.org> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: <j.bac...@ieee.org> David Heald: <dhe...@gmail.com>