John I certain cannot speak to where âthe world is globally on this topic. I can only speak to my personal experiences when I worked at Intertek and âwith several of my clients. Of course, these are all generalizations. If I were to define behavioral delimiters, they would be supportive, non-supportive and inexperienced. It should be noted that within individual companies, I see the same breakdown of the these types with individual people and I occasionally make notes to this effect in my "delta file". If the leadership is supportive, then the organization is generally also supportive. In these organizations you see amazing and surprising things, like a sales department âwho is cognizant of the issues, are supportive and receive regular training on the subject. This usually is a result of strong leadership, contractual agreements or past experiences with product non-compliance. If the leadership is non-supportive and only âfollows the rules because they are forced to, then the majority of the organization is also this way. Often you see a lonely compliance engineer (if any) who struggles to do the right thing. This person usually operates in isolation, tucked away in the quality department, with very little management support. Inexperienced companies are often those who are also entrepreneurs or who are entering new markets for the first time. They want to do the right thing but simply don't know how. Or, their customer put in the contract UL mark required, and the company wants to know "what is a UL?". I like working with these companies since I feel I can help them step out in the right direction from the very outset. They are generally very open and receptive. As one might guess, these are often the smaller and startup companies. There is one other special case which is a hybrid of two others, the spin-off company. Such as when a large company decides to sell off one of their smaller business units.â In this case the people operate very much like small company entrepreneurs but have the large company mindset. They try to retain their massive quality systems but don't know how to manage all the overhead on a limited budget and staff. Thanks, Doug
John T Your last line is what, I think, most of us have said or implied! So what do the rest of the âviewersâ think, and where do you think the âworldâ is globally? John Allen W.London, UK From: Tyra, John [mailto:john_t...@bose.com] With all due respect I think this is a generalization as when I worked at TUV I assisted companies who were very safety conscience and it came down from the top. I am also lucky to currently work for a company where the upper management is very supportive of product safety. That being said I also worked with companies when at TUV who wanted to do the minimum and in some cases argued against compliance with the standards or who I felt tried to hide noncomplianceâs from me. IMHO it really depends on the company and the culture of that company. From: Richard Nute [mailto:ri...@ieee.org] I disagree. The decision-makers leave the safety as well as the specific design to the experts. The decision-makers look at the bigger picture as to the features of the product, how it fits into the product mix, and other high-level stuff. They donât engage in the specific design and they donât engage in the safety aspects. Trying to raise safety to a decision-maker level is futile, and expecting them to champion safety is also futile. Safety and EMC are things that must be applied to a product. The decision-makers know and expect that. The only thing that matters is if either causes a schedule delay. Best regards, Rich From: John Allen [mailto:john_e_al...@blueyonder.co.uk] And not so cordially either! From: John Allen [mailto:john_e_al...@blueyonder.co.uk] Robert You have obviously âbeen thereâ! I sympathise, completely â I have too! John Allen W. London, UK From: Bonsen, Robert [mailto:robert.bon...@hp.com] Good points, all, especially this one. Those not involved with larger companies often miss that safety is only a part of the bigger picture, unfortunately. Thus, the decision makers are rarely sufficiently educated, experienced or even interested in championing safety. That is left to the guys at the bottom, who, when accused of making pro-safety calls against bigger business goals, are typically cordially invited to find employ elsewhere. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ For help, send mail to the list administrators: For policy questions, send mail to: - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ For help, send mail to the list administrators: For policy questions, send mail to: ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ For help, send mail to the list administrators: For policy questions, send mail to: ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ For help, send mail to the list administrators: For policy questions, send mail to: | ||
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