Rich
And I do have to disagree with you on this one. The top decision-makers set the company goals, but they also set and oversee the overall "company culture", and the "guys the middle" follow their leads. So, if you get - and you do! - middle management and/project managers who will do what they think the bosses want - and those bosses are not safety-minded in at least some small fashion -, and/or what they think they can "get away with not doing" in order to save time/money or give them a leg up the corporate ladder, then corners will be cut wherever it suits them. Therefore as safety and regs compliance are often seen as unnecessary cost/time/manpower burdens, and which don't contribute to the on-time & to-budget delivery of projects, then they are thus "obvious" targets for doing as little, and as cheaply, as possible. This is not idle gossip or speculation - I have seen various aspects of the above in a wide range of companies (including some that I worked both before and after, I think, our mutual time at HP - and at HP itself for that matter, which is one of the reasons why I myself left!) John Allen. W.London, UK From: Richard Nute [mailto:ri...@ieee.org] Sent: 06 March 2015 23:16 To: 'John Allen'; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: [PSES] Safety standards versus safety engineering I disagree. The decision-makers leave the safety as well as the specific design to the experts. The decision-makers look at the bigger picture as to the features of the product, how it fits into the product mix, and other high-level stuff. They don't engage in the specific design and they don't engage in the safety aspects. Trying to raise safety to a decision-maker level is futile, and expecting them to champion safety is also futile. Safety and EMC are things that must be applied to a product. The decision-makers know and expect that. The only thing that matters is if either causes a schedule delay. Best regards, Rich From: John Allen [mailto:john_e_al...@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 1:50 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety standards versus safety engineering And not so cordially either! From: John Allen [mailto:john_e_al...@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: 06 March 2015 21:47 To: 'Bonsen, Robert' Subject: RE: [PSES] Safety standards versus safety engineering Robert You have obviously "been there"! I sympathise, completely - I have too! John Allen W. London, UK From: Bonsen, Robert [mailto:robert.bon...@hp.com] Sent: 06 March 2015 21:21 To: John Allen Subject: RE: [PSES] Safety standards versus safety engineering Good points, all, especially this one. Those not involved with larger companies often miss that safety is only a part of the bigger picture, unfortunately. Thus, the decision makers are rarely sufficiently educated, experienced or even interested in championing safety. That is left to the guys at the bottom, who, when accused of making pro-safety calls against bigger business goals, are typically cordially invited to find employ elsewhere. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <sdoug...@ieee.org> Mike Cantwell <mcantw...@ieee.org> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: <j.bac...@ieee.org> David Heald: <dhe...@gmail.com>
