It's slightly off topic, but I thought I would share this sign<https://1drv.ms/i/s!Ap8stJM0LsH4jQzsx7ADEQ09XOkH> from the days when you didn't want somebody to try to run their 25 Hz motor on a 60 Hz circuit.
Ted Eckert Microsoft Corporation The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer. From: Pete Perkins [mailto:00000061f3f32d0c-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 11:03 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Using 60hz motors in 50hz countries Pleased to see the 3 Amigo's... er, 3 Brian's working thru this issue. :>) :>) br, Pete Peter E Perkins, PE Principal Product Safety & Regulatory Affairs Consultant PO Box 23427 Tigard, ORe 97281-3427 503/452-1201 p.perk...@ieee.org<mailto:p.perk...@ieee.org> From: Brian Gregory [mailto:brian_greg...@netzero.net] Sent: Monday, September 26, 2016 9:23 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: Re: [PSES] Using 60hz motors in 50hz countries The third Brian opines: do what O'Connel says, then do a few tests, too! Adjust load ratings for 50 Hz if necessary... Brian Gregory 720-450-4933 ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Brian O'Connell" <oconne...@tamuracorp.com<mailto:oconne...@tamuracorp.com>> To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: Re: [PSES] Using 60hz motors in 50hz countries Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 17:36:38 +0000 How components are used cannot be controlled by manufacturer, so your due diligence is to ship each unit with conditions of acceptability and install/operate instructions that are scoped per the standards that would apply to the component and to the end-use equipment. Carefully control what is on your website and what your sales peoples say to customer. If a buyer or designer asks you about a use not within the nameplate ratings or instructions, the legally correct response is the unit has been assessed for use at the following operating conditions... blah. There are other things that can be said or done, but your risk increases. Do not offer 'probably will' advice unless you have empirical test data supporting those operating conditions; and never admit that you have test data for operations outside of the unit's ratings. Brian -----Original Message----- From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com] Sent: Monday, September 26, 2016 7:39 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: [PSES] Using 60hz motors in 50hz countries Dear experts, Can AC brushless motors (in this case 230V~ 3-phase 3hp motors) that are rated "60HZ" be used in products going to countries that have 50HZ power? I believe the motors will run a little slower which will not affect the function of the product, but is there a safety issue with this? The motors are thermally, overload, and short circuit protected. They are "intermittent use" and not likely to overheat. As a rule, we only market and sell such products to countries with 60hz power. However, a North America company might purchase one and ship it to one of their international locations with 50hz power without our knowledge. Do we need to be concerned about this? Of course, this fact has our sales force wondering if it is OK to market and sell 60hz motor driven products in countries with 50hz. I really don't know. I cannot see a safety issue but one can say that the motor would be used in a way it is not intended to be used resulting in a higher risk if something did happening. Any opinions on this? Thanks, The Other Brian ________________________________ LECO Corporation Notice: This communication may contain confidential information intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you received this by mistake, please destroy it and notify us of the error. Thank you. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. 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