Standards should be evaluating the final part, not how it's made. It should not matter how it's made as long as future parts are made identical to the original that was evaluated. I've never had a lab question or show any interest in how a part was manufactured. They care that there is a quality/change control process in place so that products continue to be manufactured the same as the original that was evaluated.
I agree that article doesn't really state anything new that wouldn't apply to existing parts or manufacturing process. -Dave From: John Allen [mailto:jral...@productsafetyinc.com] Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2017 9:26 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] 3D Printed Parts Hi John, I agree and their case of risk is a failure in the printer, the the printed part. Still looking for opinions on the question though - do our Standards consider how the part is made? If not, does it matter? My gut says it doesn't matter, our Standards are written to evaluate a design, regardless of how it's manufactured. But is that thinking still valid? John Allen | President | Product Safety Consulting, Inc. Your Outsourced Compliance Department(r) 630-238-0188 www.productsafetyinc.com<http://www.productsafetyinc.com/> IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society - Acting President IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society - Chicago Chapter Past Chair Keeping our members informed and educated on Product Safety and Compliance https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/index.html ________________________________ From: John Woodgate <jmw1...@btinternet.com> Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2017 8:17 AM To: John Allen; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: [PSES] 3D Printed Parts None of the cited risks applies exclusively to 3D printed parts. You can just delete '3 D printed' everywhere, except in the first case, and it is still true. The first case is a red herring; the printer failed and caused damage. But if it complied with 62368-1 (or maybe 60204-1), the wires would not have come loose and/or would not contact the heat source. With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO - Own Opinions Only www.jmwa.demon.co.uk<http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk/> J M Woodgate and Associates Rayleigh England Sylvae in aeternum manent. From: John Allen [mailto:jral...@productsafetyinc.com] Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2017 2:01 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] 3D Printed Parts Hi, The link below is an interesting article on the risks of 3D printed parts. I wonder, however, if it's a mere scare tactic by Travelers for more insurance, or is there something more to this? In theory, the requirements for any part (regardless of how it's manufactured) are covered in our Standards, right?? Has anyone ever looked at the requirements from a view of how the part is manufactured? Should we? How do we know the requirements are adequate regardless of the mfg'ring process? How do we know we're not missing something? If the link below doesn't work, google Travelers preparing for the risks of 3D printing in manufacturing and it should come up. The article was on linkedin. https://www.travelers.com/business-insights/industries/technology/preparing-for-risks-of-3d-printing-in-manufacturing?MMT=DS&cm_mmc=LinkedIn_Paid-_-BI-_-Technology-_-4RisksIT&plc=145544556&adid=317197804&cid=78800898&cmpgid=10907740&dclid=CIXq9sqa9NICFVODaQodGcAHvA John John Allen | President | Product Safety Consulting, Inc. Your Outsourced Compliance Department(r) 630-238-0188 IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society - Acting President IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society - Chicago Chapter Past Chair Keeping our members informed and educated on Product Safety and Compliance - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. 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