How would you relate the tolerance of placement of system components like cables or PCs (in cm) to measurement uncertainty? Just setting up for the next test can make a few dB difference. In a large system, it may even affect antenna placement in the chamber to get the right distance to the EUT. Separately, in ESD testing, the poor specification of the simulator in standards, like IEC 61000-4-2, leads to uncertainty (that one cannot calculate) that far exceeds any uncertainty calculation one could make on ESD testing. Until we fix the standards, uncertainty calculation for ESD testing is meaningless. What is needed is a maximum di/dt limit everywhere on the current waveform and a radiation spec on the simulator. And this is only for contact discharge. For air discharge, the large uncertainty of the discharge itself will likely dominate unless hundreds of discharges are used at each point to reach statistical significance.

Doug Smith Sent from my iPhone IPhone: 408-858-4528 Office: 702-570-6108 Email: d...@dsmith.org Website: http://dsmith.org On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 9:05, Knighten, Jim L <jim.knigh...@teradata.com> wrote: A good practice is to use your calculated measurement uncertainty for emissions as your minimum margin requirement.

That will often put you in the 3-4 dB range.



Jim



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From: Kim Boll Jensen [mailto:k...@bolls.dk]
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Hi



One of our customers want to know if there are some good practice for emission compliance. I normally recommend 3 dB margin, but I don't have any reference to why this is OK.



I know that some companies have internal rules for 3 or even 6 dB margin to compensate for production deviations and for many years ago VDE did have some rules like that.



Does anyone have some good references on this subject?



Best regards,



Mr. Kim Boll Jensen

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