Ignorance can be achieved at all levels of management. Not sure escalating is the best way forward. Just sayin.
From: John Allen [mailto:000009cc677f395b-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org] Sent: Friday, September 14, 2018 1:19 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] How to lose another million dollars "Been there, seen that" OH SO many times ! :( Emphasises the need for a defined "cradle to grave" Project Lifecycle which includes the Project Compliance targets at each stage, and with the responsibilities laid out in some detail so that progress can be accurately forecast and monitored - and that needs to be understood and formally agreed at the highest management levels. And if anyone (in a position of responsibility) in the team disagrees with that approach at any stage of the process, then they should be made to take their case to the highest management levels - that might cause them to "think again" before actually doing that. John E Allen W. London, UK From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@woodjohn.uk] Sent: 14 September 2018 17:45 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] How to lose another million dollars It's inevitable that there still are some dinosaurs around who don't see the need for both making the project leader internally responsible for compliance (so that Development and Compliance share interests instead of being opposed) and for the need for pre-compliance checks on the first 'good' engineering model (not the first model that 'sort-of' works, that's too early). John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.woodjohn.uk&d=DwMFAg&c=9mghv0deYPYDGP-W745IEdQLV1kHpn4XJRvR6xMRXtA&r=RsvNGGiEXp8Wa3AN0R9oJL3JV5vFvlTsmxQpMmBLBIw&m=3aGN5zfpi1sCndJhBYssZCs5J5W41i9hua0wK2Nuhig&s=xGKT1v2jIkJeQ0zQCQz_e8XVsHVkp72biYYOJvQo7M8&e=> Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-09-14 17:03, Pete Perkins wrote: James, Oh yes, I have another real life story. In dealing with the compliance issues on a product I recommended that they run a pre-compliance EMC check and the chief electrical engineer rebutted that it was so straightforward that they would do that last, just before releasing the product to marketing. His position was that this is basic engineering stuff and any competent design engineer would get it right to begin with or a simple fix would take care of it. With a little backpressure the pre-scan was done and the product failed miserably. Needless to say, it took a number of trials to get it all properly fixed to pass; the release date was missed and the chief electrical engineer lost his job over it. So we see: lunacy runs both ways. :>) br, Pete Peter E Perkins, PE Principal Product Safety & Regulatory Affairs Consultant PO Box 23427 Tigard, ORe 97281-3427 503/452-1201 IEEE Life Fellow p.perk...@ieee.org<mailto:p.perk...@ieee.org> From: James Pawson (U3C) <ja...@unit3compliance.co.uk><mailto:ja...@unit3compliance.co.uk> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2018 8:00 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: Re: [PSES] How to lose another million dollars Hi John, Is this an actual true story? I'm lost for words... James From: John Woodgate <j...@woodjohn.uk<mailto:j...@woodjohn.uk>> Sent: 14 September 2018 12:57 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: [PSES] How to lose another million dollars Prepare for sob story. Company X has implemented the sensible policy of making the project leader internally responsible for EMC and safety compliance, i.e., when the product is tested by the compliance experts, it passes or has only minor defects. So John Doe takes his engineering model, scheduled for production in 9 months time to Compliance and asks for pre-compliance checks. No can do, is the reply. Our new policy is that only products whose planned release date is 4 months or less ahead can be checked. 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