Bulkhead connectors protrude through fire enclosure openings both sides all the time.
From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@woodjohn.uk] Sent: Friday, May 17, 2019 2:24 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] 62368-1 Openings in a fire enclosure I would agree with you if it said 'Material that fills an opening...', but it says 'Material for components that fill an opening...', which is just differently bad. It appears to apply only if there are more than one component in the opening, but all consist of only one material. In that case, one can distinguish between the opening and the items that enter/exit through it. But why would anyone put a component half-inside and half outside a fire enclosure? Best wishes John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk<http://www.woodjohn.uk> Rayleigh, Essex UK The UK is a sovereign state, not a Zollverein state On 2019-05-17 18:58, Richard Nute wrote: Hmm. Interesting English usage statement. If something fills an opening, the opening no longer exists. So, how do you know how to apply the requirement? Rich From: Payne, Glyn <00000d283c0acebb-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org><mailto:00000d283c0acebb-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org> Sent: Friday, May 17, 2019 6:40 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: [PSES] 62368-1 Openings in a fire enclosure Hi Experts, I have a EN 62368-1 question regarding openings in a fire enclosure… 6.4.8.2.2 Requirements for a fire enclosure Material for components that fill an opening in a fire enclosure or that is intended to be mounted in such opening shall: - comply with the flammability requirements of the relevant IEC component standard; or - be made of V-1 class material; or - with Clause S.1. For PS2 and PS3 circuits I have been told by a test house that connectors in fire enclosure openings only have to be V-1 class material if they are close to a potential ignition source (PIS). 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