Yes,
This "free" version is what I was referring to about being very deficient
with regard to usability. The pages cannot be scaled and are in jpg format
only. To search for content you can only page through. You can find a
table of contents but chapter level is about as granular as it gets. These
codes are very expensive and I've been needing to research content of
several: NFPA 1, NFPA 2, NFPA 55, NFPA 70, NFPA 70E, NFPA 79, NFPA 497, and
NFPA 855. Using this "free viewer" is very painful when there are
potentially 1,800 pages of code to read.
I've recently learned the NFPA is going away from purchased PDF and doing
hardcopy only, this is really going backward.
Oh well, it's almost time for the weekend, so I'll tackle it again on
Monday,
Best, Doug
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On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 2:09 PM Scott Aldous <scottald...@google.com> wrote:
> FYI, the California version of the code is also available to view online
> for free:
>
>
> https://www.nfpa.org/codes-and-standards/all-codes-and-standards/codes-and-standards/free-access?mode=view
>
> There is a California Article 89 which is specific to the state of CA, and
> various amendments throughout, with amendments varying depending on the
> agency involved. There is a table before each article which gives a
> summary. Example:
>
> [image: image.png]
>
> On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 12:24 PM Douglas Powell <doug...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Rich,
>>
>> I knew about adoption policies and actually have a web monitor on
>> https://www.nfpa.org/NEC/NEC-adoption-and-use/NEC-adoption-maps so I can
>> capture any updates. I recommend reading the report "Falling behind on
>> electrical safety" .
>>
>> I suppose that when adopted by any locality into law, then those portions
>> may become publicly available. The NEC is on a three-year cycle and the
>> example I always think of is LA County & City. Even though the State of
>> Calif may at times be up to date, They are at least one edition behind at
>> all times.
>>
>> Being optimistically cautious in Colorado...
>>
>> Doug
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 11:47 AM Richard Nute <ri...@ieee.org> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Doug:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If I remember correctly, the intro to the NEC says that it is a model
>>> for adoption by various AHJs.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In Oregon, each edition of NFPA 70 is formally adopted with exceptions
>>> and additions. So, most of NFPA 70 is law. The amendments are freely
>>> available. Many other jurisdictions do the same.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2017 Oregon Electrical Specialty Code (OESC)
>>> <https://www.nfpa.org/codes-and-standards/all-codes-and-standards/codes-and-standards/free-access?mode=view&t=other&c=ORNEC2017>
>>> Effective Oct. 1, 2017
>>> Based on the 2017 NFPA 70, National Electrical Code
>>> Oregon amendments to the 2017 NEC *Updated Oct. 2020*
>>> <https://www.oregon.gov/bcd/codes-stand/Documents/17oesc-table1-E-2020Oct.pdf>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Stay safe!
>>>
>>> Rich
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Douglas Powell <doug...@gmail.com>
>>> *Sent:* Friday, October 30, 2020 7:00 AM
>>> *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
>>> *Subject:* [PSES] NFPA Codes, law or not?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My Friday Question,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> NFPA Codes, law or not? Officially the answer is, "No, these are not
>>> laws."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I recently saw a clarification stating:
>>>
>>> "*As a national consensus safety standard, NFPA 70 is not a law and it
>>> has not been incorporated into the Code of Federal Regulations. Therefore,
>>> compliance is not deemed mandatory. Even so, OSHA has cited NFPA 70 in
>>> cases where lack of compliance has resulted in a workplace accident*."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) is a nonprofit
>>> organization and not a government entity. In the USA, possibly the best
>>> known published document is the NFPA 70 which is the National Electric Code
>>> or NEC ®. And indeed, this code has been translated and adopted in
>>> other countries in places like Latin America
>>> <https://www.nfpa.org/NEC/NEC-adoption-and-use/NEC-adoption-and-use-in-Latin-America>.
>>> Nevertheless, in my view, the whole system is bordering on becoming a
>>> legal requirement, especially at the local level where Authorities Having
>>> Jurisdiction (AHJs) adopt these into their local city and county codes.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Occasionally a discussion is raised on electrical forums where someone
>>> wants to point out that in this country any code which is officially
>>> mandated law must be freely available for public use. NFPA does indeed
>>> offer a "free view" but these are very deficient with regard to usability.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The question then becomes, "Should these codes be law?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Food for thought...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Doug
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Douglas E Powell
>>>
>>> doug...@gmail.com
>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01
>>>
>>
>>
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