Hi Doug, The free viewer works great... if your goal is to comply with the letter of the law of providing free access while still attempting to maximize your revenue from sales of the docs.
I hadn't heard about no more pdf version available from NFPA. Looks like they have a digital access version <https://catalog.nfpa.org/NFPA-LiNK-Individual-Plan-P21459.aspx>, which is a subscription service, and requires access to the internet to use. If a subscription will give you access to all the NFPA docs, that would be more interesting, but it doesn't look like this is the case. From this site <https://www.nfpa.org/NFPA-LiNK>: Q: What information and content will I be able to access with NFPA LiNK™? A: NFPA LiNK™ includes the four most recent editions of the *NEC*® (NFPA 70®) and NFPA 70E® (2021), *Standard for Electrical Safety in the Workplace®*, but you can expect to see codes and standards covering a variety of topics being added to NFPA LiNK™ on an ongoing basis. Eventually, NFPA LiNK™ will house additional NFPA codes and standards, expert commentary, visual aids, and more. With a subscription to NFPA LiNK™, you will have unlimited access to all of this! On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 1:44 PM Douglas Powell <doug...@gmail.com> wrote: > Yes, > > This "free" version is what I was referring to about being very deficient > with regard to usability. The pages cannot be scaled and are in jpg format > only. To search for content you can only page through. You can find a > table of contents but chapter level is about as granular as it gets. These > codes are very expensive and I've been needing to research content of > several: NFPA 1, NFPA 2, NFPA 55, NFPA 70, NFPA 70E, NFPA 79, NFPA 497, and > NFPA 855. Using this "free viewer" is very painful when there are > potentially 1,800 pages of code to read. > > I've recently learned the NFPA is going away from purchased PDF and doing > hardcopy only, this is really going backward. > > Oh well, it's almost time for the weekend, so I'll tackle it again on > Monday, > > Best, Doug > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Definition of EXPERT - ex·pert /ˈekˌspərt/ > > noun > a person who is a "*has been*" (ex-) and "*drip under pressure*" > (-spurt) > > Usage: "*a compliance engineering expert weenie*" > > > On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 2:09 PM Scott Aldous <scottald...@google.com> > wrote: > >> FYI, the California version of the code is also available to view online >> for free: >> >> >> https://www.nfpa.org/codes-and-standards/all-codes-and-standards/codes-and-standards/free-access?mode=view >> >> There is a California Article 89 which is specific to the state of CA, >> and various amendments throughout, with amendments varying depending on the >> agency involved. There is a table before each article which gives a >> summary. Example: >> >> [image: image.png] >> >> On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 12:24 PM Douglas Powell <doug...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Rich, >>> >>> I knew about adoption policies and actually have a web monitor on >>> https://www.nfpa.org/NEC/NEC-adoption-and-use/NEC-adoption-maps so I >>> can capture any updates. I recommend reading the report "Falling behind on >>> electrical safety" . >>> >>> I suppose that when adopted by any locality into law, then those >>> portions may become publicly available. The NEC is on a three-year cycle >>> and the example I always think of is LA County & City. Even though the >>> State of Calif may at times be up to date, They are at least one edition >>> behind at all times. >>> >>> Being optimistically cautious in Colorado... >>> >>> Doug >>> >>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 11:47 AM Richard Nute <ri...@ieee.org> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Doug: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> If I remember correctly, the intro to the NEC says that it is a model >>>> for adoption by various AHJs. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> In Oregon, each edition of NFPA 70 is formally adopted with exceptions >>>> and additions. So, most of NFPA 70 is law. The amendments are freely >>>> available. Many other jurisdictions do the same. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 2017 Oregon Electrical Specialty Code (OESC) >>>> <https://www.nfpa.org/codes-and-standards/all-codes-and-standards/codes-and-standards/free-access?mode=view&t=other&c=ORNEC2017> >>>> Effective Oct. 1, 2017 >>>> Based on the 2017 NFPA 70, National Electrical Code >>>> Oregon amendments to the 2017 NEC *Updated Oct. 2020* >>>> <https://www.oregon.gov/bcd/codes-stand/Documents/17oesc-table1-E-2020Oct.pdf> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Stay safe! >>>> >>>> Rich >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Douglas Powell <doug...@gmail.com> >>>> *Sent:* Friday, October 30, 2020 7:00 AM >>>> *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG >>>> *Subject:* [PSES] NFPA Codes, law or not? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> My Friday Question, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> NFPA Codes, law or not? Officially the answer is, "No, these are not >>>> laws." >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I recently saw a clarification stating: >>>> >>>> "*As a national consensus safety standard, NFPA 70 is not a law and it >>>> has not been incorporated into the Code of Federal Regulations. Therefore, >>>> compliance is not deemed mandatory. Even so, OSHA has cited NFPA 70 in >>>> cases where lack of compliance has resulted in a workplace accident*." >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) is a nonprofit >>>> organization and not a government entity. In the USA, possibly the best >>>> known published document is the NFPA 70 which is the National Electric Code >>>> or NEC ®. And indeed, this code has been translated and adopted in >>>> other countries in places like Latin America >>>> <https://www.nfpa.org/NEC/NEC-adoption-and-use/NEC-adoption-and-use-in-Latin-America>. >>>> Nevertheless, in my view, the whole system is bordering on becoming a >>>> legal requirement, especially at the local level where Authorities Having >>>> Jurisdiction (AHJs) adopt these into their local city and county codes. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Occasionally a discussion is raised on electrical forums where someone >>>> wants to point out that in this country any code which is officially >>>> mandated law must be freely available for public use. NFPA does indeed >>>> offer a "free view" but these are very deficient with regard to usability. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The question then becomes, "Should these codes be law? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Food for thought... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Doug >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Douglas E Powell >>>> >>>> doug...@gmail.com >>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01 >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Douglas E Powell >>> >>> doug...@gmail.com >>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01 >>> - >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society >>> emc-pstc discussion list. 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