Dear Charlie,

Thanks for the useful information!  I really discover such sign is commonly
on MWOs, induction cookers, sandwich makers, etc.  The document contains
greater detail about this sign.

Best regards,

Scott

On Thu, 27 May 2021 at 03:19, Charlie Blackham <char...@sulisconsultants.com>
wrote:

> Scott
>
>
>
> I’ve not read it (44 pages) but EU LVD market enforcement did a report 
> “Non-functional
> Hot Surfaces Project”
>
>
>
> https://ec.europa.eu/docsroom/documents/5263/attachments/1/translations
>
>
>
> Some standards, such as EN 60335-2-9 (Household and similar electrical
> appliances - Safety - Part 2-9: Particular requirements for grills,
> toasters and similar portable cooking appliances) have different limits if
> equipment is labelled
>
>
>
> The ISO symbol IEC 60417 - 5041, Caution, hot surface (iso.org)
> <https://www.iso.org/obp/ui#iec:grs:60417:5041>, is often referred to,
> but I’m not aware that colours or contrast is mandated
>
>
>
> Best regards
>
> Charlie
>
>
>
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> *From:* Brian Kunde <bkundew...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* 26 May 2021 18:08
> *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
> *Subject:* Re: [PSES] Hot surface sign
>
>
>
> Usually, high-temperature surface warning symbols are only required if the
> hazard is not obvious.  So in ovens, stovetops, griddles, toasters,
> heat-sinks, etc. do not require them.
>
>
>
> However, if such appliances or device have areas that are hot but it is
> not obvious it is hot, a warning symbol might be required.
>
>
>
> At home, I have a 2-slice toaster. It is a "Cool Touch" toaster that has
> no hot exposed surfaces, except from the small surface between the two
> slots on the top.  So the manufacturer engraved the symbol on the metal
> surface.  Not a bad idea.  But back in the day, the sides of a toaster got
> really hot; hot enough to melt the Wonder Bread bag.  As a kid, I think
> every toaster I ever saw had a Wonder Bread bag melted on the side.
>
>
>
> The Other Brian
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 10:04 AM Scott Xe <scott...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> In some cooking appliances, there are some hot surfaces that may cause
> burn injury and safety standards suggest putting a hot surface sign to
> alert the users.
>
>    - Is there any specific colour requirement?  Common practice is black
>    colour on yellow background or white colour on black background.
>    - Is an embossed sign black on black considered as a legible sign in
>    EU criteria perspective?
>    - In case of ink-printed label, is it put on the top of the hot
>    surface or next to the hot surface?  If on the top of surface, the colours
>    are protected from heat degradation and specialized adhesives should be
>    used to withstand higher temperatures.  Is there any test criteria for
>    verification?
>
> Thanks and regards,
>
>
>
> Scott
>
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