I appreciate the replies on this topic. My original question had less to do with how speed of motion affects the injury and more to do with how speed affects the User/Operators ability to Avoid the hazard in the first place. The IEC 61010-1 standard mentions how velocity factors into the Risk Assessment for avoiding the hazard, but it does not elaborate.
Thanks again to all. The Other Brian On Tue, Jan 30, 2024 at 9:01 AM Jim Hulbert <jim.hulb...@bluecrestinc.com> wrote: > ISO/TS 15066:2016 is a standard for Collaborative Robots (COBOTS). While > COBOT specific, it does contain a great deal of information on risk of harm > based not only on the mass and velocity of the moving part of the COBOT, > but also the duration of contact with the body, body part impacted, and > surface area of contact. Lots of interesting equations. > > > > Jim Hulbert > > > > *From:* Douglas Powell <doug...@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Monday, January 29, 2024 7:04 PM > *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG > *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] Reduce Speed of Moving Part to Reduce > Risk > > > > All valid points; however, I was taking my information from the > established ISO/IEC standards for machinery, with which I am familiar. I do > recall another standrd some years ago, mentioning contact surface area when > I was looking into finger crush as well as sharp edges. And the > original question was solely about speed, so that's how I responded. > > > > All the best, ~ Doug > > > > > > Douglas E Powell > > Laporte, Colorado, USA > > doug...@gmail.com > > LinkedIn > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.linkedin.com/in/coloradocomplianceguy/__;!!GXa4NB5MBjHR!War-VZOuRADz3jRwOAfj5So1NgmwD3sc1s5K-N4jJksKsLhX1gOFLTp-Tw6q2ae55E8MCkKYs65my8pgddwK9g$> > > > > (UTC-06:00, US-MDT) > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 29, 2024 at 4:41 PM Richard Nute <ri...@ieee.org> wrote: > > > > Hi Doug and Brian: > > > > I thought I would offer my (radical) point of view on the issue of “speed > of moving parts.” > > > > Consider moving aluminum foil and moving aluminum block, both at the same > speed. The aluminum foil has very little mass, while the aluminum block > has relatively high mass. The foil is not likely to cause injury, while > the block may cause injury. > > > > Consider an aluminum needle and an aluminum block, both having the same > speed and mass. The needle is likely to cause injury, while the block is > not likely to cause injury. > > > > Consider the time of contact with a moving part. If the time is long, > then injury is not likely. If the time is short, then injury is likely. > > > > So, in addition to speed, we must consider mass of the block, contact > area, and duration of the contact in predicting injury. > > > > In other words, energy per area (mv2 per area in this case) whether > mechanical, thermal, radiant, chemical, or electrical, transferred to a > body part for a (usually short) period of time, causes injury. The same > energy magnitude transferred over a long period of time is not likely to > cause injury. > > > > An injury occurs only when energy per contact area of sufficient magnitude > and duration is imparted to a body part. Both the safety science article > and the IRSST paper discuss energy of moving parts and area, but do not > address the other parameters. Both introduce (to me) the concept of > “force” on various body parts. I’m not sure of how this fits into this > safety discussion. > > > > Consideration of speed alone is over-simplification. > > > > Best regards, > > Rich > > > > > > *From:* Doug Nix <d...@ieee.org> > *Sent:* Monday, January 22, 2024 11:16 AM > *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG > *Subject:* Re: [PSES] Reduce Speed of Moving Part to Reduce Risk > > > > Hi Brian, > > > > In the machinery sector, 250 mm/s has long been used as the threshold for > avoidability. This figure comes from the robot standards and has been used > for about 30 years. Studies done at the Polytechnique de Montréal [1] and > IRSST [2] have shown that a speed closer to 140 mm/s is more universally > avoidable by people working in various environments, but the long use of > 250 mm/s has entrenched that higher speed. Related to that is the IRSST’s > Repoer R-956. I’ve attached copies of these documents for you. > > > > You can find the 250 mm/s number quoted in most machinery safety standards > where reduced speed is considered for risk reduction. The origin is in > ANSI/RIA R15.06 1992, which made its way into CSA Z434 and then eventually > to ISO 10218. > > > > [1] Y. Chinniah, B. Aucourt, and R. Bourbonnière, “Study of > Machine Safety for Reduced-Speed or Reduced-Force Work R-956,” IRRST - > Institut de recherche Robert-Sauvé en santé et en sécurité du travail, > Montreal, 2017. > > > > [2] Y. Chinniah, B. Aucourt, and R. Bourbonnière, “Safety of > industrial machinery in reduced risk conditions,” Safety Science, vol. 93, > pp. 152–161, Mar. 2017, doi: 10.1016/j.ssci.2016.12.002. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Doug Nix > > d...@ieee.org > > +1 (519) 729-5704 > > > ------------------------------ > > This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc > discussion list. 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