On Monday 08 December 2008, Dave Engvall wrote: >On Dec 8, 2008, at 5:57 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: >> On Monday 08 December 2008, Kenneth Lerman wrote: >>> Gene Heskett wrote: >>> ===========<snipped>======== >>> >>>> But I'm about frozen out, I can't work wood in that variable an >>>> environment, its not insulated well enough to heat effectively. >>>> Warpage >>>> is the keyword, I can't keep ahead of it. Nor can I apply >>>> finishes at >>>> 40F, the best I could do yesterday when I said to heck with it. >>>> Get over >>>> this *&%^$# cold, and start insulating it I guess. Bring money I >>>> would >>>> use for toys. 2" styro is now almost $30 a sheet around here. >>>> The 2" >>>> Blue stuff seems to have disappeared, and I recall it was rated >>>> about >>>> double the R that the styro stuff is. 1 sheet does one 2x6 worth >>>> of wall >>>> when cut in half and stacked 4" thick, and there is 56 feet of >>>> walls=28 >>>> sheets, with some leftovers to start on the 16x24 ceiling. I >>>> figure about >>>> 40 sheets to do it right. $1600. Add another kilo for installed >>>> heat. It >>>> will wait for warmer weather thats for sure. :( =======<more >>>> snipped>===== >>> >>> Gene, >>> >>> I seem to recall that fiberglass is less expensive than foam and >>> provides better insulation. Throw some drywall (also pretty cheap) >>> over >>> it and it's protected. Of course, the drywall weighs a ton, but >>> you're >>> young and strong. :-) >>> >>> Ken >> >> What funny paper have you been reading? At 74, I'm finding a 40 >> pound bag of >> salt dumper in the softener tank is beginning to be work. 8 of >> them trucked >> downstairs 2 at a time & dumped into it definitely makes it break and >> beer-thirty time. >> >> I picked up some drywall tonight, a dozen sheets of 1/2x4x8, and it >> was all a >> young, stout black boy and I could do to get a bundle of 2 sheets >> moved 4 >> feet from the stack outside Lowes door, into my pickup. And by the >> time 6 >> such 2 sheet bundles had been so moved, my GMC was definitely a bit >> nose up. >> Dee figured she would help me unload it, but by the time I'd cut >> the strip >> and moved one sheet about 3 feet to the rear, we decided to throw a >> tarp over >> it for the night. As for the insulation on top of it, I figure >> cocoon blown >> in 4 or 5 inches deeper than the rafters is still half the price of >> glass, >> and R40 or so. At a weight of about 8 oz per square foot, which >> the drywall, >> if fastened at all edges every 8" or so with a 1.625 drywall screw, >> should >> hold forever. Or till after I'm gone anyway. :) >> >> The ceiling is first, since heat rises, But I'll have to add more >> plates to >> screw the drywall up to over part of it and at the insides of the >> soffit. >> Most of it is on 24" centers except the last two on the uphill end, >> which are >> about 25". It was either that, or put the last rafter up very >> short spaced. >> Throw in that the first one away from the house is about 6" away >> from the >> house because the house has that much gable overhang, and I've got a >> piece-work nightmare. I'm tempted to put it up from the there out, >> and piece >> the edges accordingly. I'll use up another small bundle of studs >> fitting all >> the screw it up to frames I'll need to hit the sheets edges I >> expect. I did >> install a 'shark knife' riving knife on my teeny little table saw, >> so it rips >> nice and clean and safely now. >> >> I probably ought to stick a piece of that corrugated green sheet >> foam to hold >> open a vent from the soffit to above the ceiling, but forgot that & >> didn't >> get any. Damn, cuz it will need to go up while I can still access >> it from >> the inside. Thinking out loud, interesting ain't it, listening to >> an old >> fart beat on himself cuz he has CRS. :) >> >> I did look at the styro, but its white, and half (2"=R7.9) the >> Rvalue of the >> blue stuff, and still $28 a sheet for 2". No thanks. >> >> By the time I get this done, I will not have to worry about the >> wind moving it >> off that retaining wall unless its a real kansas style tornado, and we >> haven't have one of them in WV in 20 some years. The drywall will >> raise its >> weight at least 30%. 50% by the time I get drywall on the walls, >> which I >> will then blow full of cocoon too, it should be able to stand a 50 >> mph wind >> with the garage door open, more than that closed. >> >> I also picked a a Saelic? 'PC' game controller like those in the >> pix from Big >> J. but haven't had a chance to play with it yet. $21 at CC. >> >> So many projects, so little time.. :( >> >> -- >> Cheers, Gene > > Dollar for $$$ fiberglas is about 2:1 over the foam stuff.
Glass this winter, seems to have skyrocketed. $56 for a 8 pack of R19 bats 23" wide and 8 foot long when I as at Lowes tonight. It was in the $30 range just last summer. Outragious. >20 years ago I was building a super-insulated house to carry me into >retirement. >Walls were a modest R27 and the ceiling was R45; all done in fiberglass. >House performs somewhat beyond the model. Heater was sized for -6 F >and the >heater is not on full-time until more like -15. Those temps are >pretty rare in this >country although we have degrees-days pretty much like Billings, MT. This stick built isn't near that tight, 2x4 walls, and of those I've had open, I have yet to just replace the panel as what is in them is so sloppily installed. When I opened up the front of one room to remove a patio door and put in a 3x6 window, I had about an 8 foot wide hole open and found maybe 50% coverage of some plain kraft paper backed crap that couldn't have been more than 2" thick. Needless to say, when it went back together, it had 100% coverage of 4" of the blue foam, so that piece of wall at least is better than R20. Cut the foam so its goes in with a drive fit, and a bit of caulk seals all the leaks. With the window closed, no street noise comes in at all, an amazing difference. At some point if the $ don't dry up, the alu siding is going away to be recycled like 20 truckloads of coors cans, one wall at a time, and it WILL be insulated at least 2x better when the vinyl goes back on. If _I_ last that long anyway. Like I said, so many projects, so little time & money. :) -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) 1 bulls, 3 cows. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ SF.Net email is Sponsored by MIX09, March 18-20, 2009 in Las Vegas, Nevada. The future of the web can't happen without you. Join us at MIX09 to help pave the way to the Next Web now. Learn more and register at http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;208669438;13503038;i?http://2009.visitmix.com/ _______________________________________________ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
