On Tue, 6 Sep 2011, Peter Blodow wrote:

> Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2011 18:15:33 +0200
> From: Peter Blodow <p.blo...@dreki.de>
> Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)"
>     <emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net>
> To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" <emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net>
> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Servo PSU
> 
> Andy,
> looks like a neatly made power box. Rectifying AC line power without
> potential insulation, however, is unusual and bears some risks.

Basically nearly every servo drive/VFD above several hundred watts is done 
this way.


>
> - Be aware that both of your DC lines will have potential to ground,
> none can be grounded.

Yes very true

>
> - Be sure that every metallic enclosure that is powered by this device
> will be properly connected to protective earth (PE) and none of the
> motor's leads will be near earth!

This is true in any case (V- == ground or not)

>
> - Be sure that the drives and motors have sufficient high voltage
> protection to ground, check technical specs.
>
> - You can't connect the control circuitry, which will be ground
> referenced in most cases (zero of the 5 V supply connected to the metal
> parts and PE)  without an optical or other insulator which makes things
> more complicated than usual.

This isolation is usually needed with drives of larger sizes even with 
grounded V- because of ground noise.


>
> - Think about the effects that plugging the mains plug 180 degrees
> turned over could have, don't rely on wires having seemingly no
> potential in one case!

With bridge rectifiers neither DC bus line is close to ground

>
> - Be aware of the fact that ordinary switches, relay contacts, fuses
> etc. can switch off much less DC voltage than in the AC case. A DC arc,
> several inches long, will be stationary at as little as 110 volts DC in
> some cases. And it creates a lot of heat... In the good old DC times we
> used to have spring loaded, fast acting switches with wide gaps between
> the contacts, remember?

Absolutely, make is OK. Breaking DC current requires special DC rated 
contactors (with fast action, blowout coils etc)


>
> - Honestly: You must be a much braver man than I because I myself
> wouldn't dare using that box knowing that I'm too much used to the way
> of thinking that one leg will always have zero volts.... Have you
> considered using a 1:1 transformer?

Any 320V VBUS servo drive is dangerous, I dont think that having one side of 
the PS close to ground really makes it much safer. Safest would be a fully 
floating PS but that has its own issues...

>
> Good luck!
> Peter
>
>
> andy pugh schrieb:
>> I have made a servo PSU. It simply rectifies mains voltage to give me 325V 
>> DC.
>> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/HdNJXBD5wPqDUi9E8C46HQ?feat=directlink
>> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/dTcU2i7GYh53xSrqjh--BQ?feat=directlink
>> There is a bit of extra componentry in the box to discharge the caps
>> on power-off and to switch in a resistor for soft start, but basically
>> it is just a rectifier and some caps.
>>
>> I am a bit puzzled about the status of my -V.
>> I guess that my 0V will be a few volts away from neutral, which is a
>> few volts from earth. Should there be an explicit connection between
>> my DC- and earth, machine 0V, mains neutral, none of the above?
>>
>> I think perhaps I should have a 1:1 transformer to float the DC, which
>> would then allow such a connection.
>>
>>
>
>
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