You don't have to run Rockhopper all the time (which is the source of my 
problem).  You can just launch it from the command line and connect to it with 
a web browser when you want to do a hal graph.  If you launch Rockhopper after 
Linuxcnc is running you will never see the error I have.  Rockhopper is 
completely independent of Linuxcnc so run it, do your hal graph, and then exit 
it.

The graphical layout of hal is great for designing, or debugging a 
configuration as you can easily trace all the logic.  Very complicated hal 
configurations will not work so well as the graphviz algorithm that does the 
layout will begin to merge lines when a node has many inputs coming to it.  We 
would like to add a better graphing algorithm at some point but we could only 
find expensive commercial ones with distribution issues.  A schematic 
algorithm, like Ed is using in Eagle, would do a better job of not running 
lines on top of each other, etc.  

-Tom

On Jun 18, 2013, at 3:41 AM, alex chiosso <achio...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi people.
> Reading this mail I discovered "Rockhopper python interface" feature that
> honestly I have never heard before.
> First of all it seems to be very useful.
> It shows the hal file component connections graphically.
> Is this feature available independently from "Rockhopper python interface" ?
> I mean is there any way/procedure to show the hal files in a graphical way
> without install the full "Rockhopper python interface" ?
> Is there any way to design a hal file graphically ?
> 
> Regards
> 
> Alex
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 8:05 PM, Tom Easterday <tom-...@bgp.nu> wrote:
> 
>> So, it turns out this isn't a disk problem at all but a problem in our
>> Rockhopper python interface that I have running by default on these
>> machines.  It is calling halcmd  repeatedly and if Linuxcnc tries to launch
>> during this time bad things happen.  This is one of the items on the agenda
>> at Wichita so hopefully we may have a resolution (or beginnings of) soon.
>> 
>> Reinstalling everything from scratch is how I discovered it, so this was a
>> helpful exercise.
>> 
>> Tom
>> 
>> On Jun 17, 2013, at 1:27 PM, Dave <e...@dc9.tzo.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Another option is to get a copy of 10.04 and install that (that should
>>> give you the format option).  Then download the LinuxCNC install script
>>> and do the install via the script via an internet connection.
>>> 
>>> I think I did that the last time I did a fresh install and that worked
>>> fine.
>>> 
>>> Dave
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 6/17/2013 10:37 AM, Tom Easterday wrote:
>>>> On Jun 17, 2013, at 9:27 AM, Dave<e...@dc9.tzo.com>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I'm fairly certain that when you boot the liveCD and then choose to
>>>>> install the system that it goes through the normal Linux install
>> process
>>>>> that includes formatting the drive.
>>>>> 
>>>> I am running the LiveCD install again and it does not give you the
>> option to format the drive in any specific filesystem.  Just lets you
>> select a disk and if there is already something there it will (presumably)
>> partition the disk and install them side by side.  But, there are no
>> options, menus, etc to let you pick a drive format.  So, I am installing
>> again with whatever the default is, probably EXT4....
>>>> 
>>>> -Tom
>>>> 
>>>> 
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