On Tuesday 15 March 2016 12:16:50 Kirk Wallace wrote:

> On 03/15/2016 12:28 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
>
> ... snip
>
> > What type of interface Kirk?
>
> A Pico Sys +10 V analog output. I keep thinking it's PWM but it's not.
> It uses a DAC.
>
> > I intend to use a pwmgen, which would update its analog equ at the
> > servo rate, normally at 1 KHz.  If thats a problem, coming out from
> > zero radius where the first 1/8 would be a pretty large & fast
> > slowdown, I think I would look at it as a windup in the PID caused
> > by the 2500 rev limit, and would try to apply the usual suspects
> > fixes for a windup condition.  I've had symptoms of that show up in
> > my testing speed changes while looking for the best pid response,
> > and had to reduce the IGain if the speed chnage commands were too
> > close together in time.
>
> ... snip
>
> I don't recall running my speed commands though a PID. CSS has a
> maximum RPM setting which I had to turn down to about 800 RPM to avoid
> errors before getting the dynamic braking working. A simple MDI or
> g-code command from 2500 RPM to 300 worked fine and at the VFD's decel
> setting. I'm guessing that a step from 2500 RPM to 300 RPM is handled
> differently from having CSS go from a small radius to a large one. My
> guess was that the difference was the constant stream of speed
> commands, but the output stream is constant all of the time anyway,
> which shoots holes in my guess. The VFD may have a noise filter on the
> analog input that makes the difference.

I hadn't thought of that but it could be a possibility.

Not using a PID... That says you don't have an encoder on it either I 
guess.  I only have one machine without an encoder, the toy mill with 
its 200 watt motor, but its motor controller is still very stiff.  I 
enhance the stop with a resistor to dump the motor into, so stop times 
are in the 1-1.5 second range, but starts, even to max of 2500, are well 
below 1 second.  And no encoder, just the back emf.  I blew so many 
fuses because I had no clue the motor was working that hard so I cobbled 
up an ammeter which usually gives me enough warning to save the fuse.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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