Hello Chris,

I would love to have ballscrews but I thought I would need to large of a
diameter to avoid them to whip. Remember that I have a 3.8 meters in lenght
for the longest joint. I've reading about using anti whip guides that move
with the gantry and also aply tension in the screw with a nut to improve
the work speed and reduce whip but I don't know wich option is better. Also
there's the solution of rotating the nut.

Anyway, for such long ways and screws, I need to see if I don't have too
much trouble importing them to my country, because of the size of the
package. I'll just have to make a call to DHL here in Argentina!

Thank you!

El jue., 4 oct. 2018 a las 14:58, Chris Albertson (<
albertson.ch...@gmail.com>) escribió:

> On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 5:49 AM Leonardo Marsaglia <ldmarsag...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > About the last question. Is there any disadvantage other than may be a
> > little more mechanical complexity with the one motor and shaft approach?
> > Because I've seen lots of routers driven with two motors that I almost
> > think it's mandatory for some reason.
> >
>
> What are the guide rails made of?  precision stainless steel or chromed?
> They will need to be very high quality and very expensing if you use a
> bronze bushing.    I think most people are going with HDPE.  The friction
> is lower and you never need to use lube.  that last part mean the rails are
> never coat "dust magnets"    You can buy HDPE bearing for not much money.
> Typically there bearing are not very thick and are pressed into aluminum
> housing
>
> Also they make rails that lay on the table like rail road tracks the seem
> like a good way to go and then use round rails in the second axis. or use
> these for both.    They are inexpensive and you can mount them to aluminum
> extrusions of  any size.   these would be absolutely rigid and you'd not
> have to make anything.     Like save money too as they don't cost a lot.
>
> Here is a smaller set, they make them bigger needed
> .ebay.com/itm/2-X-SBR12-1000mm-For-CNC-12MM-Supported-Linear-Rail
> <
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/2-X-SBR12-1000mm-For-CNC-12MM-Supported-Linear-Rail-Shaft-4-Pcs-SBR12UU-Blocks/202160641942?_trkparms=aid%3D555018%26algo%3DPL.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D52885%26meid%3Db5963b764d384f598e468b383f921b1c%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D401470856046%26itm%3D202160641942&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851
> >
>
> I know someone who built a large router and, all I can say is the quality
> of the rails REALY matters.  That is where all the budget needs to go.
>  The supported ones are nice because you can place shim shock under them
> and use a laser to get perfect alignment.
>
> About rack and pinion.   You will need way-expensive rack and pinion set to
> reduce backlash.  Butter to use a timing belt (with curves tooth profile)
> as these have zero backlash and cost less.   The other option is ball
> screws.       Ball screws will out perform racks and cost a lot less and
> again bell screws are zero backlash
>
> User direct drive or timing belt reduction as gear reductions on the motors
> have backlash.
>
> It is assign how much the cost of zero backlash ball drives have fallen.
> They are now the lowest cost option for precision linear drive.    These
> are made  mostly for the Chinese domestic market but some are sold on eBay
>    The Chinese domestic market is HUGE compared to Europe or USA and we can
> take advantage of their economy of scale.
> For usr use a 12mm diameter screw would work well.   Use them at least of
> the shorter axis (certainly the  axis) here is an example.  I have a set of
> these.  The bearing are hold in compression so there is zero backlash and
> they measure "perfect" at least according to a dial indictor.
>
> With these ball screws nd a pair of the rial mounted guedes you can mill
> mild steel and certainly aluminum and have resolution at better them 0.001
> inch.  Use normal stepper motor as the systems nearly frictionless.   Cost
> is very low. Maybe $200 per axis plus the motor for a one meter square
> router.   It is almost disappointing to use this as there is"nothing to
> build"    Just some mounting brackets and you are done.
>
> ebay.com/itm/CNC-Ball-Screw-12mm-SFU1204-w-Ballnut-
> <
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-Ball-Screw-12mm-SFU1204-w-Ballnut-BF-BK10-End-Support-L-250mm-1500mm/173060231282?hash=item284b319072:m:mg4uq51qVvrK8RmcksDoOUg
> >
>
>
>
> >
> > Thanks again!
> >
> > Leonardo
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > El jue., 4 oct. 2018 a las 0:03, Gregg Eshelman via Emc-users (<
> > emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net>) escribió:
> >
> > >  The easiest method is mechanically connect the two sides with a shaft
> > > along the gantry and use one motor. Then it *cannot rack* or have any
> of
> > > the other issues that can happen with driving both sides of a
> constrained
> > > axis with two motors.
> > > If you need more Z height, you can elevate the racks on the sides. Or
> run
> > > chains or belts from the cross shaft ends down to stub shafts with the
> > > pinion gears.
> > >
> > >     On Wednesday, October 3, 2018, 4:03:48 AM MDT, Leonardo Marsaglia <
> > > ldmarsag...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >  Hello to all!
> > > <clip>
> > >
> > > About how to drive both Y joints as one axis: I've read that there's a
> > way
> > > of simply adding two Y joints for the Y axis in the 2.8 master branch
> > but I
> > > don't know if there's documentation available already.
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