On Friday 15 May 2020 10:21:26 Dan Henderson wrote:

> Okay, this issue appears to be solved. Of all the boneheaded things I
> might have done and not tested. Apparently the parallel port cable I
> used was either a  "printer cable" or just faulty. Swapping out that
> cable for another solved this issue.

I didn't think of that. But yes. You also haven't disclosed where you are 
getting the 2nd parport to drive the 2nd bob. So I assumed you were 
using something like a mesa 5i25, but be aware if using a 5i25, and 
supplying 5 volts for the bob, that is ONLY valid with mesa 
daughtercards, and will short the 5 volt buss in the computer if used 
with a std bob.  It is fused, with a PTC fuse though.

So you must use a separate small 5 volt supply or the usb cable to power 
the bob(s).

> The current test that confirmed it was with the onboard relay. I
> modified the HAL to use paraport.1.pin-14-out <=
> motion-spindle-reverse (p14 on controls the onboard relay). Viola! The
> relay clicks on with an M4 and clicks off with an M5!
>
> It's hard enough when I'm a complete novice at electronic circuitry,
> but when you have a faulty cable thrown in the mix? My head is
> swimming and attempting a reboot/recovery, lol.

And I keep forgetting that I've been messing with electrical stuff since 
I was about 8 yo, and made my living working with it since I was about 
14, essentially skipping high school. That, and I'm a teacher at heart. 
But I hope that somewhere in my "ravings" is something that will help.

> Thanks for all the assistance!
>
> On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 8:19 AM Dan Henderson <luvtof...@gmail.com> 
wrote:
> > Yes, my plan is to use the onboard BOB relay for spindle power
> > on/off.
> >
> > Dr. Lindner's comment regarding open collectors and the need for a
> > pull-up resistor could well solve this riddle.Going to check to see
> > if these are OC next.
> > Gene your way ahead of where I'm at. I'm just taking it a step at a
> > time trying to get a simple external relay to work via the BOB. To
> > be fair, I'm not even getting the onboard relay to click by
> > outputting to pin 14 (relay trigger).
> >
> > Curious if something in my HAL is preventing that from happening? Is
> > my thought pattern of triggering the logic with M4 valid with the
> > spindle-motion-reverse mapped to the output pin specified?
> >
> > On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 8:08 AM andy pugh <bodge...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Fri, 15 May 2020 at 13:56, Gene Heskett <ghesk...@shentel.net> 
wrote:
> >> > If the pix posted yesterday is the external relay in question
> >> > here, its
> >>
> >> a
> >>
> >> > 10 amp rated contacts relay, and coil current to activate that is
> >> > going to be well beyond the bobs ability to deliver the needed
> >> > currant.
> >>
> >> I think that there are extra components on the relay board to
> >> account for that.
> >>
> >> > why not use
> >> > pin 14 of bob-0 which WILL have the boosted current
> >>
> >> Maybe he is using that for spindle on-off?
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> atp
> >> "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is
> >> designed for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils
> >> and lunatics."
> >> — George Fitch, Atlanta Constitution Newspaper, 1912
> >>
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