On 07.06.25 19:51, Chris Albertson wrote:

> Is the tension on a slipping belt higher than just before it slips?   It 
> might be less

> After all, the slipping belt has stopped transmitting torque.    This is the 
> real question

> I’ve never measured.

There is:

Static friction: Friction without slip.

Limiting friction: Friction just prior to slip - the highest you'll see.

Dynamic friction:  After slip - measurably lower.

At least that's what was taught in Tribology around 55 years ago, and the 
experiments we conducted in class confirmed, if memory serves.

> A really cheap solution is to put a low-amp fuse on the motor.  Not a breaker,

> a fuse and keep them in a locked cabinet.  People will soon learn to take it 
> easy.

That would have to be slow-blow, or it'd blow on start-up unless you add a 
soft-start unit as well. I've bought a couple for A$35 ea, about USD30. Google 
"SSR 100WA R1 4 kw" for a somewhat beefy one. It's good for 2 kW on 110v, 4 kW 
on 220v, 8 kW on 380v, and can be set for up to a 30 second ramp-up, if 
desired. There may be bigger beasts, but these were enough for me. From Ali 
Baba, they turned up pronto.

The unit also has a connector with bridging plug. Add a separate overcurrent 
sensor with relay output, and it ought to be able to inhibit the SSR instead of 
blowing a fuse. But even if that set-up latches, it's too easy to reset to be 
sufficiently educational for neanderthals, I suspect. A several-day turn-around 
for a fix might be better.

My SSR is going on a ¾ ton lathe which trips the 20A 230v breaker about 10% of 
the time, so maybe only when I hit the AC waveform peak on switch-on. Although 
off-grid, my nominally 24 kW of inverters can probably do 40 kW long enough to 
make smoke.

Erik
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