First off. Lets clear a couple things up. No one is not involving the
community. I was just saying wait a couple days so that we can clear up
some details with the boss (raster) . Now if you have opinions on the site
share your cms ones in the cms thread and the general ones in the what you
want to see thread. The details have mostly been released. Now if you have
an opinion put it in those threads, flame wars aren't helping at all.
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 11:38 AM, Vincent Torri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, 1 Aug 2008, Michael Jennings wrote:
>
> On Friday, 01 August 2008, at 19:47:22 (+0200),
>> Vincent Torri wrote:
>>
>> So what ? Just an example of something that is nice (that is
>>> exchange) does not mean that everything will be nice.
>>>
>>
>> I never said that. But it does illustrate that doing something in
>> secret does not inherently invalidate it or make it "bad for the
>> community."
>>
>> As it seems that you like examples, the current design of the
>>> website is an horror. raster has imposed it to us.
>>>
>>
>> You have commit access. Where was your alternative design?
>>
>
> I have no design, but i have already complained about the web site on the
> ML. I'm not a good designers, but i think that there are some things that
> MUST appear on a web site.
>
> Also, in case you don't know, Dan did a BIG job so that all the doxy doc
> geenrating by gendoc look like the website, so modifying the website is not
> so simple if we want to have something that is coherent.
did he? I never even knew we had doxygen. we should all just agree the old
site sucks which is what we're working on.
>
>
> You completely miss the point, here. You talk about the pov of us
>>> ("we don't have to use it". Here it's not only us (the devs, putting
>>> stuff in it, etc...), it's also about the users of enlightenment and
>>> the efl.
>>>
>>
>> That's who I'm talking about. If we, the community of users and
>> developers, do not like the resulting redesign, we say "no" and
>> continue on our merry way. We are in no way beholden to it. We have
>> lost nothing. One person has lost the time he invested, but that was
>> his choice, and he knew the risks from the outset.
>>
>
> so, ok, one guy is doing the website, he takes a huge amount of time to do
> it, and then we say : "Ho no, that web site is not good !". And a guy or
> antoehr will do the same thing, etc... I think that the time we loose
> discussing a bit (not a lot, during several weeks) about the web site is
> nothing if the web site is not godd and needs rewriting.
>
> I don't want that the e site being imposed without us being warned about
>>> such *important* change. And yes, i really think that it can hurt some
>>> people if it is not correctly done.
>>>
>>
>> First off, no one is *imposing* anything. The only person who could
>> impose something on us is raster,
>>
>
> raster ? imposing something ? you're a funny guy.
>
> and if you didn't accept the concept
>> of a project lead imposing his will, you'd be using Windows.
>>
>> Oh, wait...almost forgot to whom I was speaking. ;-)
>>
>
> you're a stupid guy
>
> Seriously, part of open source is that the project leadership have
>> certain dictatorial powers granted them by virtue of your interest in
>> their code.
>>
>
> I agree. And that's exactly the opposite of raster's way of leading the
> project. He said that a lot, btw : he does NOT want to impose things to
> committers.
>
> So don't be offended on the infrequent occasion that
>> power is exercised, and don't scream foul in anticipation of something
>> you don't even know will happen yet.
>>
>
> I will never be offended by something that is imposed if i am warned first.
> If i'm warned and I does nothing, then it's my fault. If one impose me
> without warn me and I don't like, I will say why i do not agree.
>
> Finally, your comment is completely against a "community". For me,
>>> it means that if someone does some work, he should at least mention
>>> it, and describe it a bit.
>>>
>>
>> A "community" is "a body of people having common rights, privileges,
>> or interests." That says nothing about everyone having to have
>> everything they do approved by committee before they're allowed to do
>> it. If that were the way things worked around here, we'd never get
>> anywhere.
>>
>
> I do not agree, i have another view of a community than yours.
>
> Vincent
>
> On the contrary, I consider that your remark is against a community
>>> arounf e17 and the efl.
>>>
>>
>> Hogwash. Even if Inc's work turns out to be complete and utter crap,
>> the community only suffers if (1) raster decides to use it anyway, AND
>> (2) it's worse than the current site. You're simply overreacting to
>> fear of the unknown, much the same way some might have reacted if
>> Sthitha had said a few weeks ago, "We're replacing Get-E.Org with
>> something new we're designing from scratch by ourselves. Stay tuned!"
>>
>> Besides, he's clearly trying to start up a dialogue now, so let's hold
>> off on the conspiracy theories and the tar-and-feathering. He doesn't
>> deserve it...at least, not yet. ;-)
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> --
>> Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Linux Server/Cluster Admin, LBL.gov Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org)
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