On Fri, 2 Oct 2009 16:05:12 +1000 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) <ras...@rasterman.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 2 Oct 2009 11:16:33 +0530 Laxminarayan Kamath > <kamat...@gmail.com> said: > > > So why not have a real fullscreen (the way apps want it) and fake > > full screen(the way users like David Seikel want it)? That should > > keep both > > david's is already covered by: 1. borderless, 1 + maximized > (fullscreen mazimize). the app fullscreen is the "fullscreen" u see > in the e menus and the netwm fullscrene protocol. e17 doesnt totally > handle it right atm - its not "restricted" enough. So, what's wrong with letting the user decide they WANT to override an apps choice about restricting the user? It's my computer, I want control. Two options - "fullscreen the way nazi programmers that want to take over your computer want it", and "fullscreen with full user control". Oops, I invoked Godwin's law early. lol I'll say for a third time, my desires used to be covered by borderless maximised windows, but it's broken now. > > happy. The fake full screen won't let the app know its fullscreen. > > Just resize it to fill the screen and make it unresizeable. You can > > call it "ultramaximized" or something. > > > > > > I dont need this particular feature. Jut giving away a thought that > > crossed my mind. > > > > On 10/2/09, Carsten Haitzler <ras...@rasterman.com> wrote: > > > On Fri, 2 Oct 2009 04:22:34 +1000 David Seikel > > > <onef...@gmail.com> said: > > > > > > the problem is.. when apps want fullscreen they EXPECT it to be > > > exclusive. eg > > > watch movies, play a game, etc. etc. etc. - thats how they except > > > such a mode > > > to work. to be on top with nothing in the way etc. > > > > > > even e violates this. edge bindings still work. u can still > > > lower/raise between > > > elements that are on top. keybindings to flip desktops still > > > work. alt-tab kind-f-works, but not right. this needs fixing > > > before release. it needs to become much more like an exclusive > > > fullscreen mode until you exit such a mode. > > > > > > we make you happy and then we make a bunch of other apps unhappy. > > > and thus other users. > > > > > > if you want what you want.. set to borderless then maximize. > > > these windows are > > > still regular windows. > > > > > >> I've been out of the loop and not paying much attention. > > >> Recently recompiled E17, and now I find that what I always > > >> though was the wrong fullscreen behaviour is now forced on my > > >> work around to. Let me explain. > > >> > > >> A long time ago it was decided that "fullscreen" in E17 means > > >> that the window pretty much takes over your entire view, with no > > >> way of getting out of it. I argued that it was bad at the time, > > >> but did not prevail. So since then I have most of my common > > >> applications set to fully maximised, with no border, and usually > > >> set to the bottom of the stack. Then remembered, so I don't have > > >> to keep setting those things up over and over. This effectively > > >> sets them to fullscreen, but avoiding the whole "fullscreen > > >> means no way out" nonsense. > > >> > > >> By now way out I mean, unable to switch to some other desktop, > > >> unable to iconify, and unable to change to some other size. > > >> > > >> Now I find that with some of my faked fullscreen windows, the > > >> iconify and maximise stuff is not in the window menu. If I want > > >> to iconify them I have to switch to a border that has the > > >> iconify button, and switch back when I make it fullscreen > > >> again. This happens with eterm and Second Life, but not Claws > > >> mail and Xchat. > > >> > > >> Seems that alt tab is not working either, so one more way out is > > >> blocked. Actually, I can't see anyway of binding that to a key > > >> anymore. > > >> > > >> Can I have the choice of a fullscreen mode that does not mean the > > >> fullscreen takes over control and leaves out options please? In > > >> other words, "fullscreen JUST Means the window is the size of > > >> the screen, with no border". > > >> > > >> Even for the expected use case, fullscreen games, I still think > > >> that "fullscreen means total control by the app" is wrong. Far > > >> too many of these fullscreen games are unstable, and that means > > >> you spend a lot of time rebooting to recover if you want to try > > >> out a big bunch of games like I did recently. > > >> > > >> /me retrains himself to use the keyboard iconify shortcut. > > >> > > >> I know, I've become curmudgeonly. lol > > >> > > > > > > > > > -- > > > ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" > > > -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) > > > ras...@rasterman.com > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Come build with us! The BlackBerry® Developer Conference in > > > SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. > > > Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile > > > applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from > > > November 9-12, 2009. 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