best of luck tho and keep us posted! On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Ian Caldwell <inchost...@gmail.com> wrote:
> #1 hate to say it but the current design is not great, the menu system is > decent but the artwork / pages are half assed (no offense). but they have > not gotten too much TLC... your best bet is to start from ground zero and > remember don't ask permission to do it... just do it and make change and > then present it, as we're never going to all agree. > > > On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 5:18 PM, Jesse Charbneau > <j...@thecharbneaus.com>wrote: > >> Hello All, >> I have been talking to Raster and Gustavo on a side thread and have >> gotten the e site running on my personal server. I will be reviewing the >> wish list / suggestion items from the thread, as well as the items Gustavo >> mentions below and will begin work in the next day or two. Please feel >> free to email me directly if there are specific items that others feel are >> important to realize. I do not wish to get in the middle of the discussion >> being a new egg and all ;-), so please try to keep the list to something >> manageable and specific so that I can hit the mark on what improvements >> everyone would like to see. >> >> You can review my dev area at: >> http://e-www.thecharbneaus.com/p.php?p=index&l=en >> >> I’ve pasted Gustavo’s note here so you don’t have to dig: >> >> >> 2. rework content, from easiest to complicated (convoluted). The >> >> overall rule is make the text look as professional as possible, short >> >> and direct. Let's avoid explaining/justify/clarify too much. Our rules >> >> and technical decisions are that, period. Technical details goes to >> >> trac/wiki, if not there already. Link there whenever appropriated, >> >> edit wiki to match the removed/moved information. >> >> >> >> 2.1. Contribute (see our mail discussion, lots of stuff should >> >> be linked or go to wiki, part of that is there already, like coding >> >> style...) >> >> 2.2. Support (good, but would use some text simplification to >> >> make it shorter and more direct) >> >> 2.3. About (good, but if could be simplified and more direct, >> >> then awesome -- we could use a link to youtube/vimeo with a showcase >> >> of E17 and Elementary there, maybe 2 with different themes) >> >> 2.4. Documentation (I'd like to remove it in the long go, but >> >> so far we must integrate the EFL docs at the end with the one at the >> >> top) >> >> 2.5. Download keep just the packages, move the debian deps to >> >> wiki. The packages list needs confirmation of their validity, Gentoo >> >> is okay (I'm an user). Ask e-users and #e to see if the references >> >> there are valid. (Ubuntu is definitely broken, from 2005 and still >> >> refers to CVS! Ask Lutin for his packages) >> >> 2.6. Contact (rework to integrate better with devmap, we'll >> >> move it as a sub-page from Contribute and Support) >> >> >> >> 3. Layout changes. First, Raster's goal: keep a flat page, with >> >> easily accessible content, more important first. Problem is that >> >> abusing 3 column layout is no go for most people setup, remembering >> >> that lots of people run 1024x768 at 96dpi, you end with fairly thin >> >> columns. This should be easier after step #2. >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> Jess >> >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >> > From: Jesse Charbneau <j...@thecharbneaus.com> >> > Date: November 10, 2010 8:10:18 PM EST >> > To: Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri <barbi...@profusion.mobi> >> > Cc: Jesse Charbneau <j...@thecharbneaus.com>, Carsten Haitzler < >> ras...@rasterman.com>, Luis Felipe Strano Moraes <lfel...@profusion.mobi> >> > Subject: Re: help with web site >> > >> > Hey Gustavo, >> > >> > Item 1 is complete and the site now works as expected: >> http://e-www.thecharbneaus.com/p.php >> > >> > >> > On the below items, I’ll collate everything below and from the mailing >> list into something concise for everyone to review. >> > >> > Will try and have that to you over the weekend and will begin with some >> of the more obvious wish list items. >> > >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Jess >> > >> > On Nov 10, 2010, at 2:24 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: >> > >> >> On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 12:43 AM, Jesse Charbneau >> >> <j...@thecharbneaus.com> wrote: >> >>> Ok. >> >>> >> >>> Gustavo, >> >>> Please let me know what needs to be done and I will get started this >> weekend. >> >> >> >> Hi Jesse, >> >> >> >> Sorry taking so long to reply, I'm doing some work stuff as I need to >> >> travel to Korea to meet our dear Raster in person... That also mean >> >> I'll be changing to Korean time zone from Saturday to the next Friday. >> >> The weekends I'll be traveling, so don't wait for my replies on those >> >> dates. When I'm back i'll try to help with actual code as well as >> >> talking to our designers about visual changes. >> >> >> >> So, let's try to agree on a schedule to be done by the end of Friday >> >> 19th, then we reevaluate. I'd like to see done by then: >> >> 1. proper clone site (just fix the issues you found with your setup >> > >> >> 2. rework content, from easiest to complicated (convoluted). The >> >> overall rule is make the text look as professional as possible, short >> >> and direct. Let's avoid explaining/justify/clarify too much. Our rules >> >> and technical decisions are that, period. Technical details goes to >> >> trac/wiki, if not there already. Link there whenever appropriated, >> >> edit wiki to match the removed/moved information. >> >> >> >> 2.1. Contribute (see our mail discussion, lots of stuff should >> >> be linked or go to wiki, part of that is there already, like coding >> >> style...) >> >> 2.2. Support (good, but would use some text simplification to >> >> make it shorter and more direct) >> >> 2.3. About (good, but if could be simplified and more direct, >> >> then awesome -- we could use a link to youtube/vimeo with a showcase >> >> of E17 and Elementary there, maybe 2 with different themes) >> >> 2.4. Documentation (I'd like to remove it in the long go, but >> >> so far we must integrate the EFL docs at the end with the one at the >> >> top) >> >> 2.5. Download keep just the packages, move the debian deps to >> >> wiki. The packages list needs confirmation of their validity, Gentoo >> >> is okay (I'm an user). Ask e-users and #e to see if the references >> >> there are valid. (Ubuntu is definitely broken, from 2005 and still >> >> refers to CVS! Ask Lutin for his packages) >> >> 2.6. Contact (rework to integrate better with devmap, we'll >> >> move it as a sub-page from Contribute and Support) >> >> >> >> 3. Layout changes. First, Raster's goal: keep a flat page, with >> >> easily accessible content, more important first. Problem is that >> >> abusing 3 column layout is no go for most people setup, remembering >> >> that lots of people run 1024x768 at 96dpi, you end with fairly thin >> >> columns. This should be easier after step #2. >> >> >> >> >> >> As you can see I'm not covering any graphics changes. From 22th and on >> >> I'll be at my office again and I'll talk to a designer. She already >> >> suggested some unification ideas (not radical changes), like to agree >> >> on one of the visual separation (we have about 3: blank spaces in >> >> home/about; left-border in news; shadow boxes in >> >> download/support/contribute/docs). Particularly we liked blank >> >> spaces as it makes the visual less polluted, but when we approach that >> >> level we'll provide some mockups to choose from -- so no point in >> >> changing these now. >> >> >> >> I'm CC'ing lfelipe, he works with me and is always helpful with >> >> infrastructure and could help with reading/reviewing your work. He >> >> also sits in front of our designer, so although we'll do the graphics >> >> later, you may ask him to forward some questions to her. >> >> >> >> Last but not least, keep #edevelop (IRC) and e-devel (mail) informed, >> >> so you keep people motivated in this topic. Of course, be aware of >> >> flames or endless redoing your work to match everyones expectations. >> >> >> >> BR, >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri >> >> http://profusion.mobi embedded systems >> >> -------------------------------------- >> >> MSN: barbi...@gmail.com >> >> Skype: gsbarbieri >> >> Mobile: +55 (19) 9225-2202 >> > >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Centralized Desktop Delivery: Dell and VMware Reference Architecture >> Simplifying enterprise desktop deployment and management using >> Dell EqualLogic storage and VMware View: A highly scalable, end-to-end >> client virtualization framework. 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