On Dec 19, 2010, at 1:21 AM, Vincent Torri wrote: > > > On Sat, 18 Dec 2010, Jesse Charbneau wrote: > >> >> On Dec 17, 2010, at 6:08 AM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: >> >>> On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 5:51 AM, Vincent Torri <vto...@univ-evry.fr> wrote: >>>> On Fri, 17 Dec 2010, Vincent Torri wrote: >>>>> On Fri, 17 Dec 2010, Jesse Charbneau wrote: >>>>>> Hello, >>>>>> I?ve been working off list with Gustavo, and we?d like to get some >>>>>> feedback on the design thats been worked out. >>>>>> >>>>>> http://e-www.thecharbneaus.com/p.php?p=about&l=en >>>>>> http://e-www.thecharbneaus.com/p.php?p=download&l=en >>>>>> http://e-www.thecharbneaus.com/p.php?p=support&l=en >>>>>> http://e-www.thecharbneaus.com/p.php?p=docs&l=en >>>>> >>>>> for the 'about' and 'support' page, having some parts at random places >>>>> seems odd for me. For example, in the 'about' page, the information of >>>>> 'platform support' is just below the title, but for 'Proven >>>>> Effectiveness', it's below and on the left. >>>>> >>>>> In addition, for all english readers, we read for left to right. So i >>>> >>>> for -> from >>>> >>>>> found more difficult to read parts of the web page that is on the right >>>>> and additional information on the right ('Proven Effectiveness'). I indeed >>>> >>>> right -> left >>>> >>>>> prefer what is done in the support page ('Professional support options') >>>>> >>>>> I like the download page. It's simple. Though maybe i would add a label >>>>> for the tables, to tell the reader that the first column is some doc of >>>>> the lib/app, the second one is the tarbal link and the third is a brief >>>>> description. Also, maybe e16 should also be centered like the others. >>>>> >>>>> For the doc, i would prefer something like the download page. >>>>> >>>>> And in general, i think that all the web pages should have the same >>>>> design. It took me some time to understand the layout of the about page. I >>>>> then read the download page. Another layout. Then the support page, >>>>> another layout, then the documentation page, another layout. >>> >>> that's a "designer" thing. She did it to look like a brochure and not >>> a template-formatted content, trying to give focus to what is worth. >>> >>> Some pieces are still missing, like some image buttons, but these >>> should go soon. >>> >>> There is not much more I can do about it, we (marina + me) just >>> provided the initial design but ran out of time to iterate much around >>> it. We just provided images with design guidelines. >>> >>> Jess did an amazing work fighting all the HTML/CSS to make it happen, >>> he did this all on his free time and is free to interact with >>> e-community to change it in the way it's desired (ie: it's not our >>> thing and we're fixed to that way). However he need to check if he >>> will have time, or people can step to help him. >>> >>> Jess, thank you again for your work. I know how much of a pain is to >>> make HTML/CSS do what designers want :-) >>> >> >> Hello, >> Thanks for the feedback Vincent. As Gustavo noted, I basically took the >> images provided by Marina and did what had to be done at the html level and >> cleaned up the text a bit here and there. I think the question that comes >> to my mind is where the community would like the site to be when e17 rolls >> out (assuming thats sometime in the not too distant future - sorry, have not >> kept up with discussions regarding any formal releases). If folks would >> like to send me line item fixes (ie documentation page - change ?some text? >> to, some link to, etc), I can work them into a spreadsheet and get them >> taken care of. If there is agreement amongst the community that the >> consistency of the pages warrants some changes (ie, whether docs page aligns >> top, about pages look more like a two column page, etc), please advise what >> those should be and I can change them as needed. >> >> I do have some time to work on the site, and plan on being around a while so >> can help on an as needed basis (direct email works best if you need to get >> my attention). I should note that its looking like I may be moving soon, >> and of course that will consume much time, but will not be a permanent >> disappearing act. > > I don't know if everyone agrees, but my opinion is: > > 1) the web site must be simple (hence not too much text) > 2) the web pages should have a consistent layout for an easy reading > 3) detailed descriptions should be moved to the wiki >
Ok, well those could be interpreted many ways. Lets go page by page. About: http://e-www.thecharbneaus.com/p.php?p=about&l=en - Overall impression: I like this page, however, due to time, we ended up using tables to get the alignments in place targeting 1024x768 resolutions. This is ok at 1024*768, but when sizing up to greater resolutions (1680*1050 for my personal screen), it starts to spread out too much. This should be revisited at some point. - Layout: I’m mostly ok with it. I would personally like to have Devices line up with Platform Support, and slightly shift the laptop image up to match. - Building Blocks It would be nice to have a nicer flow to the text, but during testing with Gustavo, it would end up wrapping left around the building blocks image. Text shifting is very evident when using larger resolutions (the Build Blocks and text shift right away from the image due to percentages to define table cells). - Proven effectiveness: Top align the news reel items, and update them (per suggestion from Andres). Not sure what to update them to, so if someone could provide verbiage, that’d be helpful. Download: http://e-www.thecharbneaus.com/p.php?p=download&l=en - Overall impression: I think its a simple page, which I kind of agree with. I’m a functional guy anyway, so going to a page and being able to easily find what I’m looking for is attractive. I can also see the point that it could come across odd. - Layout: I’m not sure that a singular column is in line with the About page or the dual column pages. I was wondering how it might look to have “Where’s E17” to the right of “Enlightenment Foundation Libraries” setting it at a 50% sizing, and then shift the “Enlightenment Foundation Libraries” section left so it fills out completely. Then tuck in Snapshots under “Where’s E17". The downside I can see is that it may look a little busy (See contribute page for example). Will try it out if anyone else agrees that its a valid thought ;-). This would offset the staggered feel to the DR16 section. - DR16 I’m not crazy about the list of items being different than the rest of the page / site. I’d like to see that updated to be the same as the other data tables (will add to the consistency theme). Support: http://e-www.thecharbneaus.com/p.php?p=support&l=en - Overall impression: Looks nice, and at 1024*768, all you really see is the IRC, Wiki and Email sections, so the page works. If you are using a larger resolution, you may see Professional support options. - Layout It works, however, I would like to move the hr tag from under the “Professional Support” section to be below the Email section. This would put the “Professional Support” closer to its own subtext, and be in line with the rest of the text blocks on the page. It would also have the effect of separating the Email and Pro Support sections, similar to the top of the page. Contribute: http://e-www.thecharbneaus.com/p.php?p=contribute&l=en - Overall Impression: Its dual column and has lots of information in a small area. It seems a bit busy to me, but this was my best attempt to consolidate the information. Open to suggestions here. The right column text also flows outside the header, so we should correct that. - Layout: As above, seems busy. The right column especially. Should maybe mix it up a bit and add some hr tags to space it more? Would this add a consistent feel? Contact: http://e-www.thecharbneaus.com/p.php?p=contact&l=en - Overall impression: Single column layout, works ok to provide the necessary look up information. It seems like a no nonsense page. Not sure if any changes are warranted, with the exception of the tables flowing outside of the header. Docs: http://e-www.thecharbneaus.com/p.php?p=docs&l=en - Overall impression: I like it. :-) - Layout: The floating “Enlightenment Foundation Libraries” section seems odd to me in some ways and makes sense in others. For instance, one could argue that you want the title and description to the right of the list of documentation. You could also argue to have it above. If we were to change it to above tho, then we’d have everything EFL related on the left column and Application Documentation section on the right with a big void below (we tried that one...) I was thinking that we could move EFL section to top, and then break the table into two sides (its actually auto-generated so I’ll have to recode some of the generation) and tuck it the now much wider table under EFL description. Some re-org of the “Overview” and “Big Picture” section may need to be done as part of that (they seem crowded to me). Then leave Application documentation as is. - Automatically Generated Documentation I’d like remove “Automatically Generated Documentation” as I don’t know if its needed to communicate that to the user looking for docs. Let me know what everyone thinks please. Also, I’m a bit fuzzy on the process of getting consensus :(. Any thoughts on the best way to proceed? Can we all raise our hands or something and take votes ;-). Would help to have more specific work list items rather than some of the more general statements. While I understand the debate, I’ve been more of a user of the project so am reluctant to force my opinion upon anyone. Really just trying to free your time up to give me more goodies to tinker with ;-). 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