* Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri <barbi...@profusion.mobi> [2011-11-22 17:27:54 
-0200]:

> On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 4:31 AM, Carsten Haitzler <ras...@rasterman.com> 
> wrote:
> > On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 14:25:51 -0200 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
> > <barbi...@profusion.mobi> said:
> >
> >> On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 1:35 PM, hannes.janet...@gmail.com
> >> <hannes.janet...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >> > On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
> >> > <barbi...@profusion.mobi> wrote:
> >> >> On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 9:57 AM, hannes.janet...@gmail.com
> >> >> <hannes.janet...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >> >>> On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 8:47 AM, Enlightenment SVN
> >> >>> <no-re...@enlightenment.org> wrote:
> >> >>>> Log:
> >> >>>> THEMES/detorious: try a simpler pager.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>  Couple of people reported that they found the pager a bit strange, I
> >> >>>>  also felt the same, then I'm trying a new one that is more clean in
> >> >>>>  the design.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>  Pager is usually quite small and holds windows, possibly lots of them
> >> >>>>  (xterms side by side), in this case all those details were cluttering
> >> >>>>  the results.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>  Replaced the sunken border with a single line at left and right, the
> >> >>>>  focused background is a plain rectangle with the focused color. This
> >> >>>>  should look fine in both inset and plain styles.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>  Windows have no detail. Unfocused are semi-transparent, focused is
> >> >>>>  opaque. Just focused window have icon, and the icon should be at 
> >> >>>> least
> >> >>>>  16x16.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>  If you dislike it, feel free to revert.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>> the desk image needs a top and/or bottom separator when having more
> >> >>> than one row or when used in pager popup, otherwise I'm ok it. In
> >> >>> pager popup I'm missing the icons for orientation, imo there should
> >> >>
> >> >> check r65132. See if it's any better.
> >> >>
> >> > yup, looks good now. somewhere the clipping of windows to desk got lost
> >> > though
> >>
> >> fixed in r65133. thanks
> >
> > do people like the new pager look?
> 
> still not 100% satisfied, I'm out of ideas WRT to it, but so far my
> impression is that it is TOO COMPLEX and needs simplifying. See below.
> 
> > it looks really weird. the fading ot white
> > on corners, and the window "preview poxes" in the pager just look odd - they
> > pretend to be inset but they also hast a shadow.
> 
> someone just changed it and it's bit better, but now the selected
> window blue is much similar to the selected background blue. Maybe
> make it gray again? Glima, you were the one that changed selected
> window to blue, could we revert it to dark gray? (the unselected
> windows are now lighter)

It was not me who changed, I think it was jeffdameth. No big business
to me this difference (or lack of) between the blues, but if it
bothers you...

> 
> 
> > the e logo change is fine.
> 
> :-) I'm using it in Brazilian E FB page as well.
> 
> 
> > battery is ok i guess, though if u want it like that, maybe battery should 
> > be
> > vertical so it uses less horizontal space? or battery gadget needs to
> > appropriately rotate battery (use different edje groups maybe) based on 
> > shelf
> > size (if very thin then make it horizontal like now but fill the shelf 
> > height)?
> > the default looks were all fitting into a square, so this is not coming out 
> > too
> > well i think. what do people think?
> 
> the reasoning behind horizontal battery is that it's on an horizontal
> shelf, so you have more empty space around it in vertical area, that
> is more constrained.  I can ask marina to draw new version (actually
> just the charging icon needs to keep unrotated), but IMO horizontal is
> visually better as it feels less cluttered.
> 
> 
> > i'm thinking maybe battery should be inset
> > like the inset look of the pager/ibar etc.
> 
> I have a strong dislike for inset. It adds too much visual noise to
> the shelf, that is already usually small. Right now I'm okay with it
> just for the systray, because we need it for a solid background due
> xwindow reparenting.
> 
> if you have a shelf without insets it looks way cleaner, see the
> attached screenshot. Even if you make all status (battery, connman,
> bluetooth, mixer) share the same inset box, you can see from ibar it's
> not as clean.
> 
> problem with visual noise is that it becomes tiring more easily.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > anyway - i'm willing work on detorious unless people objects - does anyone
> > object with me trying to make these look better?
> 
> not at all, welcome to detorious bandwagon :-)
> 
> My only remark is "keep things simple" and avoid visual noise. That
> was what made me run from blingbling and black&white. I always look at
> everything's visual of detorious to think how simple can be
> beautiful... OTOH I look at detorious scrollbars and toolbars and hate
> them.
> 
> all in all avoid spurious noise and effects, if we want to showcase
> EFL features it's better to write a demo ;-)
> 
> -- 
> Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
> http://profusion.mobi embedded systems
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