On 12 April 2017 at 06:15, Cedric BAIL <cedric.b...@free.fr> wrote: > On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 7:46 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri > <barbi...@gmail.com> wrote: >> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 7:12 PM, Cedric BAIL <cedric.b...@free.fr> wrote: >> >> We're incurring in the same error as we did for EDC, thinking much of >> our side instead of users... EDC started as something for designers >> but then we never provided WYSIWYG and it sucked... the primitives are >> all there, but unusable for the naive or designers. >> >> the only way to describe this is to create a WYSIWYG first, then come >> with some format to store it... But do that as the *USER* point of >> view, not from EFL development PoV. Ignore our terms, ignore our >> limitations, try to make design use cases and then we see how to >> implement that with our tech, adding features and removing limitations >> as needed. > > That's where I have a different opinion. Developers are bad with > WYSIWYG interface. Designers are the users of that potential WYSIWYG > interface. Problem is that in the population we are trying to address, > a large portion of them are developers without a sidekick designer. > They are the one who want to be able to do simple UI "assemblage" from > a file. EDC is way to complicated and powerful for what they want. We > actually do not have anything to address the needs of this people. > This is what I am talking above.
You say the population you are trying to address have a large portion of developers. You also said in your original email that there was 3 groups : developers, developers, developers :D I just want to mention, please don't forget about the designers or even "wannabe designers". I get the "more developers -> more apps -> more e/efl users" But until 0.16, I think e became what it was in part because of themes and customization. There was a bunch of themes and it was fun :) Everybody knows making a theme takes time. I think one reason is because you have to recompile your edc just to see what happens when you changed an offset. (I am currently trying to make a simple theme) If I could just change a line and see the change instantly I would be so happy. Enventor is nice but of course it has to recompile all edc files. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot _______________________________________________ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
