On Wed, 12 Apr 2017 07:57:04 +0900 Christophe Sadoine <ch...@indefini.org> said:
> On 12 April 2017 at 06:15, Cedric BAIL <cedric.b...@free.fr> wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 7:46 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri > > <barbi...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 7:12 PM, Cedric BAIL <cedric.b...@free.fr> wrote: > >> > >> We're incurring in the same error as we did for EDC, thinking much of > >> our side instead of users... EDC started as something for designers > >> but then we never provided WYSIWYG and it sucked... the primitives are > >> all there, but unusable for the naive or designers. > >> > >> the only way to describe this is to create a WYSIWYG first, then come > >> with some format to store it... But do that as the *USER* point of > >> view, not from EFL development PoV. Ignore our terms, ignore our > >> limitations, try to make design use cases and then we see how to > >> implement that with our tech, adding features and removing limitations > >> as needed. > > > > That's where I have a different opinion. Developers are bad with > > WYSIWYG interface. Designers are the users of that potential WYSIWYG > > interface. Problem is that in the population we are trying to address, > > a large portion of them are developers without a sidekick designer. > > They are the one who want to be able to do simple UI "assemblage" from > > a file. EDC is way to complicated and powerful for what they want. We > > actually do not have anything to address the needs of this people. > > This is what I am talking above. > > You say the population you are trying to address have a large portion > of developers. > You also said in your original email that there was 3 groups : > developers, developers, developers :D > I just want to mention, please don't forget about the designers or > even "wannabe designers". > I get the "more developers -> more apps -> more e/efl users" > But until 0.16, I think e became what it was in part because of themes > and customization. > There was a bunch of themes and it was fun :) > > Everybody knows making a theme takes time. I think one reason is > because you have to recompile your edc just to see what happens when > you changed an offset. (I am currently trying to make a simple theme) > If I could just change a line and see the change instantly I would be > so happy. Enventor is nice but of course it has to recompile all edc > files. recompile just adds a step .. it's that you have to reload really. if recompile was 0.1 sec ... it'd still mean "restart app to see". this is what eflete is for tho. its totally live. recompiling could be sped up - disable compression. :) what you really want is modify in-place in the final app. like ctrl+right mouse click on ANYTHING and get a menu with "edit this..." up pops an editor with that group and a live editing preview... if you hit "apply" the target app(s) then update with that group. this is hard due to an edje part holding state and just reloading it doesnt quite work right especially when state is set up by signals. this is exactly one of the issues we were talking about fixing with bob. but bob is a big amount of work. -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) ras...@rasterman.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot _______________________________________________ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
