On 04/12/2017 08:27 AM, Christophe Sadoine wrote: > On 12 April 2017 at 06:15, Cedric BAIL <cedric.b...@free.fr> wrote: >> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 7:46 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri >> <barbi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 7:12 PM, Cedric BAIL <cedric.b...@free.fr> wrote: >>> >>> We're incurring in the same error as we did for EDC, thinking much of >>> our side instead of users... EDC started as something for designers >>> but then we never provided WYSIWYG and it sucked... the primitives are >>> all there, but unusable for the naive or designers. >>> >>> the only way to describe this is to create a WYSIWYG first, then come >>> with some format to store it... But do that as the *USER* point of >>> view, not from EFL development PoV. Ignore our terms, ignore our >>> limitations, try to make design use cases and then we see how to >>> implement that with our tech, adding features and removing limitations >>> as needed. >> >> That's where I have a different opinion. Developers are bad with >> WYSIWYG interface. Designers are the users of that potential WYSIWYG >> interface. Problem is that in the population we are trying to address, >> a large portion of them are developers without a sidekick designer. >> They are the one who want to be able to do simple UI "assemblage" from >> a file. EDC is way to complicated and powerful for what they want. We >> actually do not have anything to address the needs of this people. >> This is what I am talking above. > > You say the population you are trying to address have a large portion > of developers. > You also said in your original email that there was 3 groups : > developers, developers, developers :D > I just want to mention, please don't forget about the designers or > even "wannabe designers". > I get the "more developers -> more apps -> more e/efl users" > But until 0.16, I think e became what it was in part because of themes > and customization. > There was a bunch of themes and it was fun :) > > Everybody knows making a theme takes time. I think one reason is > because you have to recompile your edc just to see what happens when > you changed an offset. (I am currently trying to make a simple theme) > If I could just change a line and see the change instantly I would be > so happy. Enventor is nice but of course it has to recompile all edc > files.
when I'm doing minor things like that I just import my .edj file into eflete use it to figure out what values I want then copy the values back into the .edc files. This is the most efficient way for me but i've spent a long time reading .edc files probably alot more then most. -- Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek SUSE Linux Adelaide Australia, UTC+10:30 GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B
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