On 31/05/17 22:42, Stefan Schmidt wrote: > Hello. > > On 05/31/2017 02:36 PM, Simon Lees wrote: >> >> >> On 31/05/17 19:07, Stefan Schmidt wrote: >>> Hello. >>> >>> >>> No idea when Mike is planning a new E release where all this drm and >>> wayland patches and APIs would be needed. Have to check back with him. >>> >> >> There are other parts of e including but not limited to bryce that still >> need more work. Either way e will have a stability phase / freeze anyway >> so if that did become ready to happen we could also start the efl one >> and do the two releases at a similar time. > > If that happens to be at the same time by chance I see no problem, but I > will not adapt the efl release schedule to the E one. They have been > driven quite differently and that worked well for both sides. At least I > can say that from my side. > > And lets be frank here (not pissed but simply frank). I think the last > two releases have been very bad. > o You and other wanted to wait longer and longer before a release should > happen to reduce pain with app using the EO API > o Other asked me when there finally will be a new release so they do not > have to depend on and use HEAD > o The long development phase resulted in a _very_ long stabilization > phase due to the many changes coming in. > o So long that many developers did not look at bug fixing anymore and > started to develop new stuff in branches. > o Nobody could tell when a release will be done. It the Debian way "its > done when its done" allover again. > > I'm doing the efl releases since 1.9 (3.5 years by now) and I invested a > huge amount of time and energy to fine tune the process and finding ways > to make it work for as many parties as possible. Personally I'm proud of > what we achieved in that regard. > > If we are now going to change this all back to how efl was released > before I will not stand in the way, but I will also not handle the > releases anymore. No bad feelings, no tears, no blood. :) I will simply > step down as release manager and let someone else take over. Maybe some > fresh vibes could help, who knows? :) > > regards > Stefan Schmidt >
I agree the 3 month cycle works much better and I really want to go back to it but right now it creates effort and I don't want that effort for no reason, the minute people start asking "hen there finally will be a new release so they do not have to depend on and use HEAD" is the time when we should start the stabilization phase but if knowone needs the release and especially if eo people feel they don't need huge amounts of time to finish I don't think we should release. -- Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek SUSE Linux Adelaide Australia, UTC+10:30 GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B
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