On Fri, 09 Jun 2017 06:52:30 +0200 Jonathan Aquilina <jaquil...@eagleeyet.net> said:
> Carsten, I have expressed interest to help as an admin, but given the i know. but in this thread it's all "just move to the cloud and everything will be fine". it's a total distraction from the real issue. i've never seen this kind of brokenness ever on linux, but i dont run custom kernels (haven't for decades). fix the problem, don't avoid it as if "cloud is the answer". it's not. > complex undocumented nature of the current setup and beber needing me to > have a pgp which I only just got in all honesty Im scared to touch the > server. Like others have said we need to simplify things and get rid of > all this unnecessary complexity. Staying with VM's wont hurt anything. > For all we know even if we go to docker containers we could still end up > with the same instabilities like we are seeing with the current setup. > > --- > Regards, > > Jonathan Aquilina > > On 2017-06-09 02:15, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > > > On Thu, 08 Jun 2017 18:17:32 +0000 Andrew Williams <a...@andywilliams.me> > > said: > > > >> Hi team, > >> > >> I get that the server itself is not problematic but can we please agree > >> that redundancy would be a good thing? > >> There is no way that we should be comfortable with a single issue be able > >> to take out our entire infrastructure. > > > > redundancy (mirrored to another machine) is simply not possible. it would > > require then we have to keep in sync multiple git servers, mysql db's and > > that synchronisation would be broken when things go slow so any backup > > would have different data and we'd have a nightmare to reconcile things. we > > have full data redundancy at the filesystem/block layer (raid mirroring). > > the entire infra is not down. the host is still running just fine (e5). > > > > if we move some services to new hosts, that means then you just have some > > things broken. if git still runs on e5 then git is down. whatever runs there > > will be down. moving everything is the same effort - in fact more, as fixing > > things to move to containers. and it's now far riskier a it will become > > expensive as people have to pay for that hosting. > > > > so NO. no moving to other systems. it's not a solution. it's sticking your > > head in the sand and not resolving the issue we have. > > > > not a single person here ever says "hey - i'll help migrate it to a > > container on e5 and figure it out". it's always "hey hey - come over here > > and use the vm/container/whatever hosting provider i already use". > > > > e.org was stable as all hell when it was simple. it was a single machine > > (with a spare we just never used because the main system never went down). > > it had no vm's. no containers. it just ran everything on a single shared > > system. it worked a charm. it had no performance issues (other than it > > wasn't going to have the spare grunt to run a CI/build server e.g. > > jenkins). our reason for a new system was to be able to do CI builds and > > support and fear that our old machine would die (our drives were not raided > > at all back then)... > > > > i'm also getting impatient. at e dev day in 2 weeks lets sort this out and > > actually get something done there and then. tbh i think at this point this > > is more important than just about any other topic there... and not to just > > talk about, but to actually do immediately. if a few people sit around > > converting what we have into something simpler (docker images? something > > else?) and beber helps get it set up and goes over what is set up and why > > so we all understand better how it's glued together... > > > > Thanks, > > Andrew > > > > On Thu, 8 Jun 2017 at 06:39 Carsten Haitzler <ras...@rasterman.com> wrote: > > > > On Thu, 08 Jun 2017 14:35:39 +0200 Jonathan Aquilina < > > jaquil...@eagleeyet.net> > > said: > > > > Beber you have my pgp key through keybase.io's application even sent you > > a chat message. Also I noticed you are coming to the dev summit in 2 > > weeks time. Any chance we can sit down during the weekend and sort out > > the server? > > it's gotten far worse in recent times. like every day it needs a reboot > > these > > days... > > > > --- > > Regards, > > > > Jonathan Aquilina > > > > On 2017-06-08 14:21, Amitesh Singh wrote: > > > > On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 11:25 PM, Mike Blumenkrantz < > > michael.blumenkra...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > the new error page is an improvement at least > > Its down again :/ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > ------------------ > > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > > _______________________________________________ > > enlightenment-devel mailing list > > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > >> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > >> _______________________________________________ > >> enlightenment-devel mailing list > >> enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > > _______________________________________________ > > enlightenment-devel mailing list > > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > > -- > ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- > The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) ras...@rasterman.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > _______________________________________________ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > -- > http://andywilliams.me > http://ajwillia.ms > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > _______________________________________________ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) ras...@rasterman.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot _______________________________________________ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
