Will, No problem. I should have read your reply again.
I think the property which is now Biltmore Park was once part of the Biltmore Estate. The Arden/Skyland area has so depressingly built up over the last 25 years. It being a community, do they have a public parking lot or is all private? Some " High end " communities are restricted or even gated. James P. On Nov 25, 7:39 pm, "Will Blozan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > James, > > Sorry for the oddly "snipped" quote... > > Anyway, yes Biltmore Park is off Long Shoals and is a "high end" community. > There is a trail network through the property which traverses some fine, > older forest. Trident maple is a variety of red maple, and usually grows in > swampy areas. > > Acer rubrum var. trilobum > > Will F. Blozan > President, Eastern Native Tree Society > President, Appalachian Arborists, Inc. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of James Parton > Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 3:48 PM > To: ENTSTrees > Subject: [ENTS] Re: Lake Julian Park, Arden/Skyland NC > > Will, > > Oh, ok. > > You mentioned Biltmore Park. Where is it?. I know of Biltmore Park > ( condominiums, I think ) off of Long Shoals rd. I have never rode up > in there to see if they have hiking trails. I have never heard of a > Trident maple. Is it an exotic? > > JP > > On Nov 25, 6:26 am, "Will Blozan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "...Diameter was 44" and I stripped..." > > > Will F. Blozan > > President, Eastern Native Tree Society > > President, Appalachian Arborists, Inc. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > Behalf Of James Parton > > Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 4:07 AM > > To: ENTSTrees > > Subject: [ENTS] Re: Lake Julian Park, Arden/Skyland NC > > > Will, > > > There is a big pine stump near the bathroom building. I remember that > > tree. It was quite large. Did you record the circumference or > > diameter? > > > James P. > > > On Nov 24, 8:18 pm, "Will Blozan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > James > > > > Yep, the tree was felled near a shelter or something like it. > > > > Will F. Blozan > > > President, Eastern Native Tree Society > > > President, Appalachian Arborists, Inc. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > > > Behalf Of James Parton > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 4:16 AM > > > To: ENTSTrees > > > Subject: [ENTS] Re: Lake Julian Park, Arden/Skyland NC > > > > Will, > > > > Where did you drop that pine? I would guess that it was at the > > > campground area. Several big stumps are there testifying of the trees > > > lost. I did not realize that some of them had been gone that long > > > though. What was the reason they had them cut down. The area was > > > prettier with them. > > > > Over the years the lake has lost a lot of trees. Development on the > > > shoreline opposite the powerplant really shows this. Part of the > > > campground was once located there and now it is businesses that are > > > located there. The main part of the park itself on Long Shoals as also > > > had a high percentage of trees cut. I just don't understand it. The > > > whole Arden/Skyland area has really been developed over the last 20 > > > years. Depressingly so. Long Shoals rd should be called Long Shoals > > > Highway! Not only has the trees been hurt along the lake but the > > > available land to fish from around the lake has been reduced about 50 > > > percent. Catfish had no keeper limit but due to more people fishing > > > the lake the limit is now six fish. Times change. > > > > I know what one of those shockwaves feel like. A big tuliptree was cut > > > down about 400 feet from my old home in Dana. It shook the whole house > > > when it hit the ground. > > > > Where is Biltmore Park? > > > > James P. > > > > On Nov 17, 9:05 pm, "Will Blozan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > James, > > > > > Nice work! I remember dropping a huge white pine at Lake Julian back > in > > > > 1992. I "tape dropped" it to 125 feet with a tree climbing rope. the > > limbs and topped the tree before felling the > > > > trunk. The stub was felled whole and stood ~ 95 feet tall. It had > rained > > > > heavy for several days and the ground was saturated so when the trunk > > hit > > > > the ground a shock wave of saturated soil passed through the ground > and > > > > "bumped" me through the ground. It was the weirdest sight to see a > wave > > > move > > > > through the soil. This was the second time this happened to me. Once > in > > > > Maryland while taking town a huge tuliptree, I flipped a huge chunk > out > > of > > > > the tree which landed flat as a pancake. From my aerial perspective I > > saw > > > > the shockwaves radiate outwards through the soil and shake the > > surrounding > > > > vegetation. The ground crew commented on the jolt they felt through > the > > > > earth. The log was winched out of the ground as it had sunk about 40% > of > > > the > > > > diameter. We had a heck of a time fixing the crater. > > > > > If you are in Arden I suggest you spend some time on the walking > trials > > at > > > > Biltmore Park. I was cruising thru there looking for hemlocks to treat > > and > > > > spotted some really nice VA pines and shortleaf. The tallest Trident > > maple > > > I > > > > have seen was in there and roughed out over 110'. Nice stuff deserving > > of > > > a > > > > look now that leaves are off. > > > > > Will F. Blozan > > > > > President, Eastern Native Tree Society > > > > > President, Appalachian Arborists, Inc. > > > > > _____ > > > > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On > > > > Behalf Of James Parton > > > > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 7:06 PM > > > > To: ENTS > > > > Subject: [ENTS] Lake Julian Park, Arden/Skyland NC > > > > > ENTS, > > > > > I have just completed one of the largest measuring outings I have done > > for > > > > ENTS. It took 5 individual trips and is of the woods surrounding Lake > > > Julian > > > > on the outskirts of Asheville NC in the Arden/Skyland area. > > > > > Lake Julian is a decent sized lake of about 300 acres or so and was > > > created > > > > to cool the Progress Energy ( Then CP&L ) coal powerplant that is > > located > > > on > > > > one shore of the lake. The lake was created in 1963. Progress Energy > > > leases > > > > land on the lake to the Buncombe County Parks & Recreation for > > > entertainment > > > > purposes. > > > > >http://www.buncombecounty.org/common/parks/LakeJulianBrochure.pdf > > > > >http://h2o.enr.state.nc.us/esb/documents/FRENCHBROADRIVERBASIN2007.pdf > > >http://www.buncombecounty.org/governing/depts/Parks/facilities/parks/... > > > > ian.htm > > > > > The lake has been a favorite fishing spot of mine since the early > 1980s > > > and > > > > I have spent many hours on the shore and in boats fishing. I had never > > > > really thought about checking out the woods near the lake until after > I > > > > moved close by. These are about as close as " home woods " as I can > get. > > > > > I explored 4 sections of forest near the lake ( See satillite image ). > > > > Section one is on the hothole side of the lake near Heywood rd. > Section > > > two > > > > is the old lake Julian campground. Section 3 is on the main side of > the > > > lake > > > > on the right just past the trestle bridge. Section four is the main > part > > > of > > > > the park itself on the other side of the lake along Old Shoals rd. The > > > white > > > > arrows mark these areas. Dark blue arrows on the map mark future areas > I > > > > would like to explore. The dark green one marks my home. > > > > > I will now discribe the outings, section at a time. > > > > > Section one. > > > > > Located along the back section of the lake near Heywood Rd & Old > Shoals > > > Rd. > > > > This is a mixed forest of hardwoods & conifers. Various oaks & > > tuliptrees > > > > dominate along with white pine and pitch pine. Maples, sourwood and > > > Virginia > > > > pine are present also. American holly is common in the understory but > > > > slightly less common than in the other three sections. > > > > > Compared to the other sections it had the tallest tree measured. A > > > 135.64ft > > > > White Pine. I found no tree reaching 10 feet in girth. This section > was > > > > measured last August. > > > > > White Pine 7' 6" cbh 100.25ft. > > > > > Pitch Pine 5' 3/4" cbh 95.06ft > > > > > White Pine 8' 1 1/2" cbh 98.81ft > > > > > White Pine 9' 1/2" cbh 135.64ft! > > > > > Pitch Pine 4' 5" cbh 76.41ft > > > > > Tuliptree 7' 2" cbh 96.00ft > > > > > Section 2. > > > > > The campground picnic area. > > > > > I really did not expect to find much in the way of large trees here > but > > I > > > > was pleasantly surprised. The oaks, which lost out in size to the > white > > > > pines in section 1 really competed here. One specimen measured over 13 > > > feet > > > > in girth and another over 100 feet tall! The white pines also were > > > > outstanding here, one reaching over 120 feet tall. I found several > large > > > > white pine stumps and was able to get a ring count from one of them. > > These > > > > trees have been cut down in the last two years. The ring count was 84 > > > years > > > > in a stump just over a yard in diameter. The oldest trees here may > date > > > > between 100-110 years judging by the this ring count, that is if they > > grew > > > > at a similar rate. Holly is common on the lakeshore. > > > > > White Oak 13' 4" cbh 101.54ft! > > > > > White Oak 11' 9" cbh 97.38ft > > > > > White Pine 10' 8 1/2" cbh 98.78ft. Massive reiteration and large > > > branch > > > > stubs. > > > > > Larch? 5' 6" cbh 50.90ft > > > > > White Oak 12' 4" cbh 90.03ft > > > > > White Pine 10' 8" cbh 123.51ft! > > > > > White Pine 11' 0" cbh 115.60ft! > > > > > White Pine 9' 5" cbh > > > > > Section 3. > > > > > Past trestle bridge on right. > > > > > The forest here is similar to section one but the trees are a bit > bigger > > > > overall. Tuliptree is a bit more numerous. Black cherry and some > decent > > > > hickories are present in addition to other hardwoods such as oak. > > American > > > > Holly is a very common understory tree. 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