James, You can park off Deerhaven Lane. There is small turn around at the trail head. The entire trail is paved.
Will F. Blozan President, Eastern Native Tree Society President, Appalachian Arborists, Inc. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Parton Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 7:48 PM To: ENTSTrees Subject: [ENTS] Re: Lake Julian Park, Arden/Skyland NC Will, No problem. I should have read your reply again. I think the property which is now Biltmore Park was once part of the Biltmore Estate. The Arden/Skyland area has so depressingly built up over the last 25 years. It being a community, do they have a public parking lot or is all private? Some " High end " communities are restricted or even gated. James P. On Nov 25, 7:39 pm, "Will Blozan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > James, > > Sorry for the oddly "snipped" quote... > > Anyway, yes Biltmore Park is off Long Shoals and is a "high end" community. > There is a trail network through the property which traverses some fine, > older forest. Trident maple is a variety of red maple, and usually grows in > swampy areas. > > Acer rubrum var. trilobum > > Will F. Blozan > President, Eastern Native Tree Society > President, Appalachian Arborists, Inc. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of James Parton > Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 3:48 PM > To: ENTSTrees > Subject: [ENTS] Re: Lake Julian Park, Arden/Skyland NC > > Will, > > Oh, ok. > > You mentioned Biltmore Park. Where is it?. I know of Biltmore Park > ( condominiums, I think ) off of Long Shoals rd. I have never rode up > in there to see if they have hiking trails. I have never heard of a > Trident maple. Is it an exotic? > > JP > > On Nov 25, 6:26 am, "Will Blozan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "...Diameter was 44" and I stripped..." > > > Will F. Blozan > > President, Eastern Native Tree Society > > President, Appalachian Arborists, Inc. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > Behalf Of James Parton > > Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 4:07 AM > > To: ENTSTrees > > Subject: [ENTS] Re: Lake Julian Park, Arden/Skyland NC > > > Will, > > > There is a big pine stump near the bathroom building. I remember that > > tree. It was quite large. Did you record the circumference or > > diameter? > > > James P. > > > On Nov 24, 8:18 pm, "Will Blozan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > James > > > > Yep, the tree was felled near a shelter or something like it. > > > > Will F. Blozan > > > President, Eastern Native Tree Society > > > President, Appalachian Arborists, Inc. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > > > Behalf Of James Parton > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 4:16 AM > > > To: ENTSTrees > > > Subject: [ENTS] Re: Lake Julian Park, Arden/Skyland NC > > > > Will, > > > > Where did you drop that pine? I would guess that it was at the > > > campground area. Several big stumps are there testifying of the trees > > > lost. I did not realize that some of them had been gone that long > > > though. What was the reason they had them cut down. The area was > > > prettier with them. > > > > Over the years the lake has lost a lot of trees. Development on the > > > shoreline opposite the powerplant really shows this. Part of the > > > campground was once located there and now it is businesses that are > > > located there. The main part of the park itself on Long Shoals as also > > > had a high percentage of trees cut. I just don't understand it. The > > > whole Arden/Skyland area has really been developed over the last 20 > > > years. Depressingly so. Long Shoals rd should be called Long Shoals > > > Highway! Not only has the trees been hurt along the lake but the > > > available land to fish from around the lake has been reduced about 50 > > > percent. Catfish had no keeper limit but due to more people fishing > > > the lake the limit is now six fish. Times change. > > > > I know what one of those shockwaves feel like. A big tuliptree was cut > > > down about 400 feet from my old home in Dana. It shook the whole house > > > when it hit the ground. > > > > Where is Biltmore Park? > > > > James P. > > > > On Nov 17, 9:05 pm, "Will Blozan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > James, > > > > > Nice work! I remember dropping a huge white pine at Lake Julian back > in > > > > 1992. I "tape dropped" it to 125 feet with a tree climbing rope. the > > limbs and topped the tree before felling the > > > > trunk. The stub was felled whole and stood ~ 95 feet tall. It had > rained > > > > heavy for several days and the ground was saturated so when the trunk > > hit > > > > the ground a shock wave of saturated soil passed through the ground > and > > > > "bumped" me through the ground. It was the weirdest sight to see a > wave > > > move > > > > through the soil. This was the second time this happened to me. Once > in > > > > Maryland while taking town a huge tuliptree, I flipped a huge chunk > out > > of > > > > the tree which landed flat as a pancake. From my aerial perspective I > > saw > > > > the shockwaves radiate outwards through the soil and shake the > > surrounding > > > > vegetation. The ground crew commented on the jolt they felt through > the > > > > earth. The log was winched out of the ground as it had sunk about 40% > of > > > the > > > > diameter. We had a heck of a time fixing the crater. > > > > > If you are in Arden I suggest you spend some time on the walking > trials > > at > > > > Biltmore Park. I was cruising thru there looking for hemlocks to treat > > and > > > > spotted some really nice VA pines and shortleaf. The tallest Trident > > maple > > > I > > > > have seen was in there and roughed out over 110'. Nice stuff deserving > > of > > > a > > > > look now that leaves are off. > > > > > Will F. Blozan > > > > > President, Eastern Native Tree Society > > > > > President, Appalachian Arborists, Inc. > > > > > _____ > > > > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On > > > > Behalf Of James Parton > > > > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 7:06 PM > > > > To: ENTS > > > > Subject: [ENTS] Lake Julian Park, Arden/Skyland NC > > > > > ENTS, > > > > > I have just completed one of the largest measuring outings I have done > > for > > > > ENTS. It took 5 individual trips and is of the woods surrounding Lake > > > Julian > > > > on the outskirts of Asheville NC in the Arden/Skyland area. > > > > > Lake Julian is a decent sized lake of about 300 acres or so and was > > > created > > > > to cool the Progress Energy ( Then CP&L ) coal powerplant that is > > located > > > on > > > > one shore of the lake. The lake was created in 1963. Progress Energy > > > leases > > > > land on the lake to the Buncombe County Parks & Recreation for > > > entertainment > > > > purposes. > > > > >http://www.buncombecounty.org/common/parks/LakeJulianBrochure.pdf > > > > >http://h2o.enr.state.nc.us/esb/documents/FRENCHBROADRIVERBASIN2007.pdf > > >http://www.buncombecounty.org/governing/depts/Parks/facilities/parks/... > > > > ian.htm > > > > > The lake has been a favorite fishing spot of mine since the early > 1980s > > > and > > > > I have spent many hours on the shore and in boats fishing. I had never > > > > really thought about checking out the woods near the lake until after > I > > > > moved close by. These are about as close as " home woods " as I can > get. > > > > > I explored 4 sections of forest near the lake ( See satillite image ). > > > > Section one is on the hothole side of the lake near Heywood rd. > Section > > > two > > > > is the old lake Julian campground. Section 3 is on the main side of > the > > > lake > > > > on the right just past the trestle bridge. Section four is the main > part > > > of > > > > the park itself on the other side of the lake along Old Shoals rd. The > > > white > > > > arrows mark these areas. Dark blue arrows on the map mark future areas > I > > > > would like to explore. The dark green one marks my home. > > > > > I will now discribe the outings, section at a time. > > > > > Section one. > > > > > Located along the back section of the lake near Heywood Rd & Old > Shoals > > > Rd. > > > > This is a mixed forest of hardwoods & conifers. Various oaks & > > tuliptrees > > > > dominate along with white pine and pitch pine. Maples, sourwood and > > > Virginia > > > > pine are present also. American holly is common in the understory but > > > > slightly less common than in the other three sections. > > > > > Compared to the other sections it had the tallest tree measured. A > > > 135.64ft > > > > White Pine. I found no tree reaching 10 feet in girth. This section > was > > > > measured last August. > > > > > White Pine 7' 6" cbh 100.25ft. > > > > > Pitch Pine 5' 3/4" cbh 95.06ft > > > > > White Pine 8' 1 1/2" cbh 98.81ft > > > > > White Pine 9' 1/2" cbh 135.64ft! > > > > > Pitch Pine 4' 5" cbh 76.41ft > > > > > Tuliptree 7' 2" cbh 96.00ft > > > > > Section 2. > > > > > The campground picnic area. > > > > > I really did not expect to find much in the way of large trees here > but > > I > > > > was pleasantly surprised. The oaks, which lost out in size to the > white > > > > pines in section 1 really competed here. One specimen measured over 13 > > > feet > > > > in girth and another over 100 feet tall! The white pines also were > > > > outstanding here, one reaching over 120 feet tall. I found several > large > > > > white pine stumps and was able to get a ring count from one of them. > > These > > > > trees have been cut down in the last two years. The ring count was 84 > > > years > > > > in a stump just over a yard in diameter. The oldest trees here may > date > > > > between 100-110 years judging by the this ring count, that is if they > > grew > > > > at a similar rate. Holly is common on the lakeshore. > > > > > White Oak 13' 4" cbh 101.54ft! > > > > > White Oak 11' 9" cbh 97.38ft > > > > > White Pine 10' 8 1/2" cbh 98.78ft. Massive reiteration and large > > > branch > > > > stubs. > > > > > Larch? 5' 6" cbh 50.90ft > > > > > White Oak 12' 4" cbh 90.03ft > > > > > White Pine 10' 8" cbh 123.51ft! > > > > > White Pine 11' 0" cbh 115.60ft! > > > > > White Pine 9' 5" cbh > > > > > Section 3. > > > > > Past trestle bridge on right. > > > > > The forest here is similar to section one but the trees are a bit > bigger > > > > overall. Tuliptree is a bit more numerous. Black cherry and some > decent > > > > hickories are present in addition to other hardwoods such as oak. > > American > > > > Holly is a very common understory tree. 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