Guys,

Points taken; as the younger generation says, "my bad!"  At first
glance, I thought the spreadsheet was enabling the measurer to record
the measurements with either a clinometer or range finder depending on
what he/she may have; perhaps "double-checking" with range finders of
potential champs as Don has noted. 

I suppose a Biltmore Stick is out of the question (tongue in cheek)!

Steve Springer

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Edward Frank
Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 4:30 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [ENTS] Re: Tree Measurement Data Spreadsheet

Don,
 
I do not want the data if it is measured using a clinometer at a certain
distance from the base.  Less data that is accurate is preferable to
lots of data that incorporates unacceptable errors.  The trees can be
measured using a laser & clinometer sin/top sine/bottom  method,  by
pole measurements, or by climbs and tape drops.  Some combinations of
these are fine.  We can not accept clinometer at a set distance
measurements into the dataset or it is useless for the purposes we
desire.  I don't trust data collected that way even if the measurer is
meticulous in how it is collected, no matter who they may be.
 
Ed

        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: DON BERTOLETTE <mailto:[email protected]>  
        To: [email protected] 
        Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 5:22 PM
        Subject: [ENTS] Re: Tree Measurement Data Spreadsheet

        Steve-
        One of things we've discussed relative to data collection is
that we're pretty much happy to have as many measurers out there
measuring their hearts out, using whatever equipment that is available
to them, we just need to know what level of accuracy we'll expect based
on their equipment...if they're truly champion contenders, more accurate
equipment, teams would be brought to bear.
        Until the laser rangefinders drop in price some more, so that
more folks can afford them, the wily clinometer user can extract fairly
good data, under a certain range of conditions, which get explored in
Will's measurement tome.
        Good point!
        -Don
        
        





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