On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 14:00:06 +0200 Thorsten Leemhuis <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi! > > On 09.06.2009 21:44, Xavier Bachelot wrote: > > > > Is anyone taking care of the stable push for June ? > > FWIW, there IIRC wasn't even one in May either iirc. > > > I guess Thorsten is probably busy with other stuff, > > Yes, sorry, I was really busy with lot of RPM Fusion stuff and real > life; EPEL moved off by radar so I forgot about it. > > In fact I feared exactly that and that was the reason why I months ago > (is it even more then a year now? not sure, can't remember) tried to > get away from EPEL nearly completely (¹), which was running quite > fine back then. > > But the latter not the case anymore. Sure, packagers are still doing a > whole lot of good work, but leadership/steering is afaics nearly not > existent at all, which IMHO is a dangerous situation for a project > like EPEL (especially as RHEL6 is not that far away anymore and we > need to be prepared for that). Well, somewhat agreed. What critical issue is waiting to be addressed? > Some examples: No weekly reports for months (which were a requirement > from FESCo when the EPEL Steering Committee was formed and thus should > still be written!), nearly no meetings and the steering committee > obviously doesn't even care if testing -> stable move get done. Hey, > not even one of the steering committee members actually answered your > mail in the past few days which IMHO tells us everything already. I have tried (twice or three times, I forget) to get regular meetings going again. Either I can't get a time where everyone can attend, no one does attend, or people forget about the meetings. We did have some meetings a few months ago, and a few things came out of them, but not much. Mostly people were "everything is running ok, what do we need to do". > Or IOW: what exactly did the steering committee do over the past six > months? Nearly nothing I'd say. Dglimore (maybe one or two others from > the Steering Committee; not sure,) did some work for koji and bodhi > for EPEL, but that's nearly all afaics. Agreed. What items do you think should be addressed? > IMHO it's time for the steering committee to say "Sorry, we screwed > up, we all step down; the last thing we do it to make sure a new > steering committee is formed somehow" ok. Happy to do so. Who wants to be in a new committee? Judging from the lack of people interested in meetings I would say not many. I'm happy to step down if others step up tho. Alternately, if I can get commitment from people to attend meetings I will hold them and try and get things back on track. Note that a while back we discussed if EPEL is in need of a "steering comittee" which implies elections and such. We decided that it was much more a SIG than a Project. I don't know if that needs to be addressed by fesco. > > > but is anyone else able to take care of that ? > > Anyone can prepare one: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL/Tasks/NextTestingStableMove > > But I did it a few times already, so I can prepare another one quite > easily. One was/is being done by Michael Stahnke. > > iirc, there are some perms issue. > > That is still the case afaics. Only dglimore can actually do the push > and testing->stable moves. Yes, this is the case as far as I know. > CU > knurd > > (¹) Yes, I did prepare a few stable pushes over the past few months to > help out, but I mentioned a few times already that I didn't really > want to do them anymore; looking back at it I should have made it > more clear to prevent the current situation; sorry for that; yeah, sorry if people have been bugging you on that. kevin
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