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I agree!
On Nov 24, 2005, at 8:28 AM, Hartmut Beil wrote:
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Larry.
Admitted there is a difference between one lunatic and a whole
group of rule stretching folks.
In both cases it is still unfair to punish the folks who do go by
the rules.
The other thing is that I did not propose to change the rules for
the Sport Pilot planes, I recommend changing the Type Certificate
of the later models Coupes to add a provision to fly their coupes
under the sport pilot rule.
That means no more weight than 1320 lbs and luckily the stall speed
comes down then to the 51 miles they set as a limit.
All Ercoupes are similar in weight and flying characteristics. When
flown by the sport pilot rule, there is not much difference between
the models.
In my mind a 415-C overloaded to 1400 lbs is less a candidate for
the Sport pilot rule than a 415-D flown at 1320 lbs.gross weight.
However, all that becomes meaningless when the rule making
authorities are restricting your freedom every time something
happens. Things happen. That's part of life.
If we would change the traffic rules every time we have an
accident, we would not be able to drive in a foreseeable future.
Actually this is what they are doing here in Germany. Every time
when a few accidents are happening at an intersection, they
"combat" that with the installation of traffic lights. the whole
city is filled with traffic lights. That's why I need 1.5 hours in
a car from one side of Berlin to the other.(it would be 15 minutes
without ) The traffic jam is constant over the day and the lights
are "regulating" even the non existent traffic at 3 in the morning.
Then I still need 1.5 hours to pass the town. This is just plain
nonsense.
Hartmut
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Actually, there is a difference between the act of an insane person
(the pilot deciding to take out the Reichstag along with himself) and
civil disobedience, which is what I would consider it if lots of
people began flying heavier planes with sport pilot credentials.
It is kind of silly to try to set up defenses against true loons -
how can we possibly think like them and consider all of the crazy
actions they might take? However, the lawmakers in Washington, DC,
are considering similar rules not because of craziness, but because
of the simple inattention and ignorance of a couple of pilots.
But a bunch of pilots flying illegally is a different story. If the
FAA makes rules about flying as a sport pilot and no one follows
them, then we are descending into chaos. And I personally do not
believe that changing the rules to match the behaviors of people is a
good idea. If we allow the 1400 pound 415Ds, it won't be long until
people are flying 1450 pound Alons, and then when we allow that it
won't be long until people are flying 1600 pound C150s, and then it
won't be long until - well, until we allow sport pilots to fly twins!
The limit has to be in place, and for every limit, there will ALWAYS
be what appears to be a logical next step up, after all, it's so
close!
I'm really happy the 415C fits into this category, as it allows me to
fly under the Sport Pilot rule for relatively little money. I
believe, that the FAA decided the rules were the rules and the market
would have to grow to fit the rules, not vice versa.
Just my thoughts, no more informed or valid than anyone else's!
Schöne Grüsse aus Missouri!
Larry
N99340
On Nov 24, 2005, at 6:47 AM, Hartmut Beil wrote:
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Glen.
I understand your concerns and I am totally with you.
But I ask why, if someone breaks the rule, are all that are not
breaking the rule have to be punished?
This makes no sense and is totally unfair. That is the same if
some one steals something somewhere we all have to be put in
chains. Not right I think. And not helpful either.
One example from the weird world in Europe, Germany.
Last summer one Ultralight pilot lost his mind in an argument
with his wife and killed her.
The wife was missed by many folks and the police started
searching and questioning the Ultralight pilot. He realized that
it is just a matter of time until they get him.
He decided to leave this world with a bang. He flew his son for
the last time around an airport close to Berlin, Germany, landed,
sent him home and took off again toward Berlin downtown. That is
due to all the airports here in controlled airspace.
He flew in there without talking to the controllers and made it
right to the heart of the German government, the German
Reichstag. He crash landed his plane in front of the Reichstag -
no one was hurt. He was dead.
Of course the politicians got scared. They could not understand
how a airplane like that was undetected by radar and could go so
far. They already saw the Reichstag collapse.
Result: A No fly zone has been established over Berlins Center.
We all who fly by the rules are not allowed to fly there anymore.
But the next guy who does not give a shit of the rules can of
course fly there. No one will stop him. And if he kills himself,
no one can even sentence him to anything. The ruling is hurting
the GA business around Berlin. Sightseeing is out of a question.
The decision of some scared cluesless politiciansis hurting the
economy but does not add anymore security to the area.
Get my drift?
The punishment of the law obeying folks does not stop the
criminals. Or the non-obeying folks.
If I would be part of the FAA and find out that a lot of people
are being caught flying in 415-D s , claiming it to be a sport
pilot plane, then I have to look at the rules again and see how I
can implement these folks without having them or someone else
hurt. Simple as that. I would just have Univair come up with a
new addition to the TC that would give all Ercoupes a chance to
be included with new weight limits and stall speeds. Simple
Adding more and more restrictions to the society will end up in
the society overthrowing the restrictions. Or if the group is just
big enough, everyone is just ignoring it.
Or are you driving 65 on the freeway ?
Hartmut
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Last night, I read the latest issue of the NTSB reports. One
report was about a guy who was not authorized, "borrowing" a
Citation jet and going for a joy ride with 5 friends. He landed
safely. No one was hurt and the airplane was not damaged.
Because this guy broke the rules, there are two senators
proposing the following:
1. Every airport in the country be fenced in (using tax dollars).
2. Every pilot file a flight plan for every flight.
3. Further restricted/prohibited areas around major cities (as we
have now in DC).
AOPA and a team of others are fighting these proposals but the
point is this...this pilot broke the rules and because of that, I
may lose some of my freedoms and privileges. Those people against
general aviation pick up on these rather "minor" infractions and
exploit them, doing irrevocable harm to the rest of the aviation
community. Please don't break the rules, as ridiculous as they
may be, by flying anything but a C or CD Ercoupe in the Sport
category...it really could ruin it for the rest of us.
While I am on this diatribe...
I keep my Grumman Tiger at HPN, White Plains, NY. It is tied
down in an area about 1/4 mile from the FBO building. The
entire airport is fenced-in and locked. There is a door in the
security fence very close to my airplane. I was given a key to
this door by the FBO along with a dozen or so others who have
airplanes in this tie-down area. We were warned by the FBO to
make sure this door is locked after we enter through it. It has
a heavy spring to automatically close it. To force it to stay
open, one would have to place a rock under it to jam it open. On
three occasions, someone did just that, jammed a rock under the
door so his friends could come in through that door and he would
not have to wait for them to let them in. Now that door has been
permanently closed by the TSA. All the plane owners in that
tiedown area have to park at the FBO, walk through the building
and walk about 1/4 mile, carrying all our stuff, because some
selfish guy broke the rules and placed a rock under the door.
Please don't break the rules, as ridiculous as they may be, by
flying anything but a C or CD Ercoupe in the Sport category...it
really could ruin it for the rest of us.
Glen Davis CFII
Grumman Tiger N70GD
1946 Ercoupe N3103H
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Flying without medical, current airworthiness,unauthorized
modifications, etc might not advisable.
Saturday in ****** we were at an EAA breakfast and a poker run
with other airparks. A pilot and passenger flew in from *******
in a beautiful aircraft with a turbo-prop, made a fantastic low
level pass down the runway, fast, very fast and then some. The
aircraft was designed like a small P51. After breakfast he lined
up for take off. The pilot seemed to apply full power for maybe
a max performance takeoff (show time). Seconds after starting his
roll the aircraft started weaving (tri- gear) and heading
slightly off to the left. I don't know why he did not cut power
then but continued at what seemed full power and got the left
main off pavement, right main was off the ground. The aircraft
continued like this for about 300' , hit the ground with left tire
and left wing very low,then started to climb, went into a steep
climb with left roll and turn till inverted at about 200' AGL
then dove back to earth killing himself and his friend. The
aircraft missed all the houses, people and my wife's Aircoupe. I
don't know why he didn't pull power off when he was still on the
ground, I can only guess.
I hope these facts did not keep the pilot from aborting and
having to report a possible minor ground accident
The aircraft appears to only have 20 hours since new, a
passenger in an experimental without the 40 hours flown off.
The aircraft did not have any approval to fly or an airworthiness
certificate of any kind, no record of any FAA Inspection approval
at all.
If this is true and so far it is there will probably be no
insurance (if he had found someone to insure it) to pay for his
friends funeral or help take care of the family People that own
the crash site must pay for cleanup (fuel spill) but most likely
everyone will sue the wife (estate). Really sucks when one gets
caught breaking the rules this way.
I get fed up with rules and often did break a few rules and
still want to do my own thing but then I ask myself, what will
happen to my family and friends if I screw up and they have to
deal with my mess? For me that's the bottom line
Flying 40 years and still having fun.
Johnny
Johnny Thompson
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