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Glen, I may have been the person who unfortunately started this thread with a question regarding crime and punishment for breaking the Sport Pilot weight rules. I never stated I had any intention of flying my plane, which is not a 'D' but an 'E', regardless of the law, despite my feelings and thoughts about the issue which I am sure you can imagine. At least an issue that perhaps a few were thinking about, has been explored and shed light on. I could have a major diatribe on this issue but it would be a moot point and a waste of a good Thanksgiving day and club space. The law is what it is until it changes. Cheers and have a good T-day to all Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Larry Snyder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Hartmut Beil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 6:42 AM Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Re: [COUPERS-TECH] Flying Smart? > ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following any advice in this forum.]---- > > > The real issue is not the FAA, it's a handful of politicos that are: > > A) unfamiliar with GA and/or > B) against GA > > These are the folks that are stirring the hornets nest. While I agree the > person who breaks the rules should be the only one punished, that is not the > way it works. So, if we encourage fellow Ercoupers not to break the rules > by flying a "D" in the sport category, we are doing what needs to be done to > protect our own freedoms and privileges. > > Keep in mind this thread was started because one of out groups said he was > going to fly his D in the sport category, not fly it into the Whitehouse. > He is not a nut or a crazy, just a guy like us that is perhaps not aware of > the consequences to all of us if he bends the rules. > > Glen Davis CFII > Grumman Tiger N70GD > 1946 Ercoupe N3103H > |-----| > _________(*)_________ > o o o > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry Snyder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Hartmut Beil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 8:54 AM > Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Re: [COUPERS-TECH] Flying Smart? > > > ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following any > advice in this forum.]---- > > > Actually, there is a difference between the act of an insane person > (the pilot deciding to take out the Reichstag along with himself) and > civil disobedience, which is what I would consider it if lots of > people began flying heavier planes with sport pilot credentials. > > It is kind of silly to try to set up defenses against true loons - > how can we possibly think like them and consider all of the crazy > actions they might take? However, the lawmakers in Washington, DC, > are considering similar rules not because of craziness, but because > of the simple inattention and ignorance of a couple of pilots. > > But a bunch of pilots flying illegally is a different story. If the > FAA makes rules about flying as a sport pilot and no one follows > them, then we are descending into chaos. And I personally do not > believe that changing the rules to match the behaviors of people is a > good idea. If we allow the 1400 pound 415Ds, it won't be long until > people are flying 1450 pound Alons, and then when we allow that it > won't be long until people are flying 1600 pound C150s, and then it > won't be long until - well, until we allow sport pilots to fly twins! > The limit has to be in place, and for every limit, there will ALWAYS > be what appears to be a logical next step up, after all, it's so close! > > I'm really happy the 415C fits into this category, as it allows me to > fly under the Sport Pilot rule for relatively little money. I > believe, that the FAA decided the rules were the rules and the market > would have to grow to fit the rules, not vice versa. > > Just my thoughts, no more informed or valid than anyone else's! > > Schöne Grüsse aus Missouri! > > Larry > N99340 > > > On Nov 24, 2005, at 6:47 AM, Hartmut Beil wrote: > > > ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following any > > advice in this forum.]---- > > > > > > Glen. > > I understand your concerns and I am totally with you. > > But I ask why, if someone breaks the rule, are all that are not breaking > > the rule have to be punished? > > This makes no sense and is totally unfair. That is the same if some one > > steals something somewhere we all have to be put in chains. Not right I > > think. And not helpful either. > > > > One example from the weird world in Europe, Germany. > > > > Last summer one Ultralight pilot lost his mind in an argument with his > > wife and killed her. > > The wife was missed by many folks and the police started searching and > > questioning the Ultralight pilot. He realized that it is just a matter of > > time until they get him. > > > > He decided to leave this world with a bang. He flew his son for the last > > time around an airport close to Berlin, Germany, landed, sent him home > > and took off again toward Berlin downtown. That is due to all the > > airports here in controlled airspace. > > > > He flew in there without talking to the controllers and made it right to > > the heart of the German government, the German Reichstag. He crash landed > > his plane in front of the Reichstag - no one was hurt. He was dead. > > > > Of course the politicians got scared. They could not understand how a > > airplane like that was undetected by radar and could go so far. They > > already saw the Reichstag collapse. > > > > Result: A No fly zone has been established over Berlins Center. We all > > who fly by the rules are not allowed to fly there anymore. But the next > > guy who does not give a shit of the rules can of course fly there. No one > > will stop him. And if he kills himself, no one can even sentence him to > > anything. The ruling is hurting the GA business around Berlin. > > Sightseeing is out of a question. The decision of some scared cluesless > > politiciansis hurting the economy but does not add anymore security to > > the area. > > > > Get my drift? > > > > The punishment of the law obeying folks does not stop the criminals. Or > > the non-obeying folks. > > > > If I would be part of the FAA and find out that a lot of people are being > > caught flying in 415-D s , claiming it to be a sport pilot plane, then I > > have to look at the rules again and see how I can implement these folks > > without having them or someone else hurt. Simple as that. I would just > > have Univair come up with a new addition to the TC that would give all > > Ercoupes a chance to be included with new weight limits and stall speeds. > > Simple > > > > Adding more and more restrictions to the society will end up in the > > society overthrowing the restrictions. Or if the group is just big > > enough, everyone is just ignoring it. > > > > Or are you driving 65 on the freeway ? > > > > Hartmut > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "johnny thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "tech" > > <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > > Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 12:54 PM > > Subject: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Re: [COUPERS-TECH] Flying Smart? > > > > > > Last night, I read the latest issue of the NTSB reports. One report was > > about a guy who was not authorized, "borrowing" a Citation jet and going > > for a joy ride with 5 friends. He landed safely. No one was hurt and > > the airplane was not damaged. Because this guy broke the rules, there > > are two senators proposing the following: > > > > 1. Every airport in the country be fenced in (using tax dollars). > > > > 2. Every pilot file a flight plan for every flight. > > > > 3. Further restricted/prohibited areas around major cities (as we have > > now in DC). > > > > AOPA and a team of others are fighting these proposals but the point is > > this...this pilot broke the rules and because of that, I may lose some of > > my freedoms and privileges. Those people against general aviation pick up > > on these rather "minor" infractions and exploit them, doing irrevocable > > harm to the rest of the aviation community. Please don't break the > > rules, as ridiculous as they may be, by flying anything but a C or CD > > Ercoupe in the Sport category...it really could ruin it for the rest of > > us. > > > > While I am on this diatribe... > > > > I keep my Grumman Tiger at HPN, White Plains, NY. It is tied down in an > > area about 1/4 mile from the FBO building. The entire airport is > > fenced-in and locked. There is a door in the security fence very close > > to my airplane. I was given a key to this door by the FBO along with a > > dozen or so others who have airplanes in this tie-down area. We were > > warned by the FBO to make sure this door is locked after we enter through > > it. It has a heavy spring to automatically close it. To force it to > > stay open, one would have to place a rock under it to jam it open. On > > three occasions, someone did just that, jammed a rock under the door so > > his friends could come in through that door and he would not have to wait > > for them to let them in. Now that door has been permanently closed by > > the TSA. All the plane owners in that tiedown area have to park at the > > FBO, walk through the building and walk about 1/4 mile, carrying all our > > stuff, because some selfish guy broke the rules and placed a rock under > > the door. Please don't break the rules, as ridiculous as they may be, by > > flying anything but a C or CD Ercoupe in the Sport category...it really > > could ruin it for the rest of us. > > > > Glen Davis CFII > > Grumman Tiger N70GD > > 1946 Ercoupe N3103H > > |-----| > > _________(*)_________ > > o o o > > ----- Original Message ----- From: johnny thompson > > To: tech > > Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 12:19 AM > > Subject: [COUPERS-TECH] Flying Smart? > > > > > > ====================================================================== > > ======== > > To leave this forum go to: http://ercoupers.com/lists.htm > > Search the archives on http://escribe.com/aviation/coupers-tech/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -------- > > > > > > > > Flying without medical, current airworthiness,unauthorized > > modifications, etc might not advisable. > > > > Saturday in ****** we were at an EAA breakfast and a poker run with > > other airparks. A pilot and passenger flew in from ******* in a > > beautiful aircraft with a turbo-prop, made a fantastic low level pass > > down the runway, fast, very fast and then some. The aircraft was designed > > like a small P51. After breakfast he lined up for take off. The pilot > > seemed to apply full power for maybe a max performance takeoff (show > > time). Seconds after starting his roll the aircraft started weaving (tri- > > gear) and heading slightly off to the left. I don't know why he did not > > cut power then but continued at what seemed full power and got the left > > main off pavement, right main was off the ground. The aircraft continued > > like this for about 300' , hit the ground with left tire and left wing > > very low,then started to climb, went into a steep climb with left roll > > and turn till inverted at about 200' AGL then dove back to earth killing > > himself and his friend. The aircraft missed all the houses, people and > > my wife's Aircoupe. I don't know why he didn't pull power off when he > > was still on the ground, I can only guess. > > > > I hope these facts did not keep the pilot from aborting and having to > > report a possible minor ground accident > > > > The aircraft appears to only have 20 hours since new, a passenger in an > > experimental without the 40 hours flown off. > > The aircraft did not have any approval to fly or an airworthiness > > certificate of any kind, no record of any FAA Inspection approval at all. > > > > If this is true and so far it is there will probably be no insurance (if > > he had found someone to insure it) to pay for his friends funeral or help > > take care of the family People that own the crash site must pay for > > cleanup (fuel spill) but most likely everyone will sue the wife (estate). > > Really sucks when one gets caught breaking the rules this way. > > I get fed up with rules and often did break a few rules and still want > > to do my own thing but then I ask myself, what will happen to my family > > and friends if I screw up and they have to deal with my mess? For me > > that's the bottom line > > Flying 40 years and still having fun. > > Johnny > > > > > > > > Johnny Thompson > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > ====================================================================== > > ======== > > To leave this forum go to: http://ercoupers.com/lists.htm > > Search the archives on http://escribe.com/aviation/coupers/ > > > > > ============================================================================ == > To leave this forum go to: http://ercoupers.com/lists.htm > Search the archives on http://escribe.com/aviation/coupers/ > > > > > > ============================================================================ == > To leave this forum go to: http://ercoupers.com/lists.htm > Search the archives on http://escribe.com/aviation/coupers/ > > > > > __________ NOD32 1.1303 (20051124) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > ============================================================================== To leave this forum go to: http://ercoupers.com/lists.htm Search the archives on http://escribe.com/aviation/coupers/
